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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2012 => Topic started by: jotage21 on October 01, 2011, 09:33:11 PM

Title: SOLVED - Geraldo´s #336 - Vampiro Ford Ardun
Post by: jotage21 on October 01, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
Which car is this?
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Post by: jotage21 on May 09, 2012, 11:19:42 AM
exps
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Post by: M630 on May 09, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
Fiat 508CS Balilla Sport ?
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Post by: jotage21 on May 09, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
no
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Post by: M630 on May 10, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Maserati 1500 ?
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Post by: jotage21 on May 11, 2012, 04:22:36 PM
no
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Post by: D-type on June 01, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
Italian?
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Post by: jotage21 on June 01, 2012, 07:25:01 PM
no
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Post by: D-type on June 02, 2012, 05:09:07 PM
If it isn't Italian, is it German?
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on June 03, 2012, 10:13:46 AM
British?
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Post by: jotage21 on June 04, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
no and no
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on June 04, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
South American?
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Post by: jotage21 on June 04, 2012, 05:16:29 PM
no
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Post by: thorax on June 04, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
the plate seems to be portoguese.
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Post by: jotage21 on June 04, 2012, 10:24:03 PM
and the car also is Portuguese
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Post by: thorax on June 05, 2012, 04:49:03 PM
Edfor?
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Post by: jotage21 on June 05, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
no
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Post by: mekubb on September 12, 2012, 05:46:17 PM
Marlei or is it from an earlier date than 1950 ?
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Post by: jotage21 on September 18, 2012, 10:00:07 PM
not a Marlei, but according to my source from the early 1950´s
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Post by: thorax on October 18, 2012, 12:16:31 PM
seems to be the car developed by Zora Arkus Duntov in 1952: the source named the car "Ardun Ford".

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Post by: RayTheRat on October 18, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
If ya don't mind me being a little pedantic, Ardun-Ford is the name of the motor in the car.  Ardun was a company (Zora Arkus-Duntov and his brother ran it) that produced hemi-head conversions for flathead fords.  The heads more than doubled the hp output of the flathead by improving its breathing and overcoming heating problems that the flattie had.

They (the heads) are beautiful pieces of workmanship.  They're much nicer than Chrysler's hemi heads from an aesthetic perspective...and that little power increase has made 'em VERY desirable for use in hot rods and especially salt flats racers.  They have their own class (XXF) since they take the vintage motors to a whole different level of performance. 

I don't know what the car is, although it appears to be built on a Ford chassis. 

Here are a coupla photos of Ardun heads:

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Post by: jotage21 on October 18, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
Right way: the car is powered by Ardun Ford engine
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Post by: thorax on October 19, 2012, 04:11:04 AM
even the grille named it Ardun:
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 19, 2012, 08:55:30 AM
The car was for sale at Hershey in 2005,

The for sale sign read:

1935 ARDUN

One off car, built in Florida, probably for racing at Sebring, etc.
Set up for ARDUN OHV conversion (not on car)
Runs and drives great.
Have some documentation from Zora Arkus Duntov concerning car.

$27,500.00

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Post by: RayTheRat on October 19, 2012, 01:03:13 PM
The car was for sale at Hershey in 2005,

The for sale sign read:

1935 ARDUN

One off car, built in Florida, probably for racing at Sebring, etc.
Set up for ARDUN OHV conversion (not on car)
Runs and drives great.
Have some documentation from Zora Arkus Duntov concerning car.

$27,500.00



I'm not sure that's the same car, or it might imply that it's based on a 1935 Ford chassis.  I found what I believe is Thorax's source and it states "The Count of Monte Real won the National Championship in 1952 Ramps manning a Ford Ardun.  This was a specially designed racing car and which was equipped with a Ford V8 engine to which two Ardun aluminum heads are adapted."  Translation from Portuguese is my re-wording of Google Translate's output.

What had/has me confused is the description of the car as a "1935 Ardun" which tends to lead the reader to believe that the car was built with the Ardun headed-flathead motor in 1935, when in fact, the Ardun heads weren't developed until 1947.

What I didn't know is that the heads were originally marketed for use in trucks, rather than as a performance product, since they were too wide to fit under a stock 32 Ford hood.  But they had some problems: "Its cast-steel pushrods weighed the same as a connecting rod, and valve seats came loose from expansion differences of the aluminum and bronze materials. The stock Ardun valves were too heavy. Exhaust manifolds were constricted and head gaskets were a common failure. The coke bottle shaped lifters were originally made from Buick components and had a tendancy to gall. Valve springs were inadequate. The two intake manifolds had no balance tube between them and were poorly designed. The spark plug tubes were a menace and the stock Ford ignition was not up to the task."

Other than that, they were great.  :)  I can't imagine cast-steel pushrods.   ::)

Here's another quote from the Ferguson website (The Fergusons manufacture re-pop Arduns which are just slightly expensive (sarcasm implied)): "Early Ardun heads were flawed in several areas – cast steel push rods were too heavy, valve seats came loose due to expansion differences of aluminum and bronze, the stock valves were too heavy and exhaust manifolds were constricted. It goes on - A heavy valve spring didn't’t allow the higher rpm, the stock Ford ignition was inadequate and more problems needed to be solved by a pair of young California racers in the early ‘50’s.

Many if these future refinements were a result of C & T Automotive, located in North Hollywood, California. Don Clark and Clem Tebow (more than mere engine builders) were credited with taking the flawed Ardun mechanicals and eliminating the many imperfections – thus evolving the engineering and the unique head’s presence in the racing community. Drag cars like Safeway Sandblasting, lakesters like The Lakewood Muffler Special and the SoCal Special coupe, and a number of very quick sprint car racers proved the Ardun-made horsepower in massive quantities, when the gremlins were held at bay. The C & T Ardun engines were capable of 300 horsepower in full-race configuration – they powered many vehicles to speed-event glory and top speed record-book history."

Bottom line:  Based on the quote from the Portugese site, I'd say that Thorax has solved the puzzle, but that's just my opinion.  

RtR
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 28, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
The image is from 1952, showing the Count of Monte Real (Jorge de Melo e Faro) in his specially designed Ford Ardun racing car.  I don't think the translation works well, but the Count won the 1952 Ramps National Championship (hill climb?).

The chassis for this car is from a Ford V8-18.  Formerly driven by Carlos Santos Silva.
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on November 08, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
Do you need more information?
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Post by: Carnut on November 15, 2012, 09:53:34 AM
The image is from 1952, showing the Count of Monte Real (Jorge de Melo e Faro) in his specially designed Ford Ardun racing car.  I don't think the translation works well, but the Count won the 1952 Ramps National Championship (hill climb?).

The chassis for this car is from a Ford V8-18.  Formerly driven by Carlos Santos Silva.

Any reply for sixtee5cuda, jotage21?
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on November 20, 2012, 01:15:33 PM
 :) :D ;D :o ??? ::) :P
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Post by: Carnut on November 20, 2012, 06:13:33 PM
Unfortunately jotage21 is suffering from ill-health.
We're going to have to bear with him and wish him a speedy recovery.
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Post by: RayTheRat on November 20, 2012, 07:00:55 PM
Just my unsolicited opinion, but it seems to me that Thorax solved the puzzle, with some additional info provided by sixtee5cuda.  Maybe the editors might consider helping Jotage out, since he's having health problems.  I know that I've appreciated help (not here, but in other areas) when my heart trouble has rendered me non-functional.  It (the heart) seems to be working fine today, tho and I'll just content myself with that.  Again, my best wishes to Jotage for a speedy and complete recovery.

RtR
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Post by: jotage21 on November 21, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Point added to Thorax, it´s the Ardun Ford. The only doubt is that in my source book it was indicated as a Portuguese car, nicknamed Vampiro.
Title: Re: SOLVED - Geraldo´s #336 - Vampiro Ford Ardun
Post by: thorax on November 22, 2012, 10:31:04 AM
thanks!