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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2012 => Topic started by: woodinsight on April 24, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
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This is my third group puzzle on sports racing cars.
As it may take some time to complete this one I'll award points as each car is solved.
Some are easy but others may cause some head scratching.
One point for each correct guess - it should be sufficient in most cases to name the make and model or year.
As always any additional information is welcome as many of these cars are relatively obscure.
First batch -
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Second batch -
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Third batch -
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Answers
01 - Serenissima 3000S V8 Competizione 1968 (solved by Shamrock)
02 - Delettrez Le Mans 1950 (solved by Barrett)
03 - VerValen Crosley Devin Special 1958 (solved by Wendax)
04 - Wingfield-Bristol 1957(solved by faksta)
05 - DP Special 1959 (solved by SACO)
06 - Crusader 1964 (solved by Paul Jaray)
07 - RWG Ford Special 1946 (solved by Wendax)
08 - Lebacq DL18 1983 (solved by faksta)
09 - Coxon Holden Milano (solved by Carnut)
10 - Havas Porsche 1964 (solved by faksta)
11 - Dargue MG (solved by Barrett)
12 - Atlantis 1967 version (solved by Djetset)
13 - Gallas-Panhard 1954 (solved by SACO)
14 - Cassidy-MG 1953 (solved by Paul Jaray)
15 - Bucci-Ford V8 (solved by Wendax)
16 - Weber 1100 Special (solved by faksta)
17 - Zebra Ford 1971/2 (solved by Wendax)
18 - Auto Union 1000RS Sauter 1959 (solved by faksta)
19 - Sail-Fiat 1100 1947 (solved by faksta)
20 - Manta Jaguar 1959 (solved by Wendax)
21 - Raymond 1000 Sport 1972 (solved by siata1)
22 - Kong Special 1956 (solved by Wendax)
23 - Heve P3 1970 (solved by faksta)
24 - Lotus Mk VI Kirwan-Taylor (solved by Barrett)
25 - Imperell (solved by Wendax)
26 - MAP Le Mans 1950 (solved by Paul Jaray)
27 - Ban Sing Special II 1962 (solved by faksta)
28 - JRM GT Coupe (solved by Paul Jaray)
29 - Avanzo 1976 (solved by Wendax)
30 - Byfield Repco-Holden 1959 (solved by faksta)
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#5 must be some kind of Panhard?
Is #11 an MG special?
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#5 must be some kind of Panhard?
Is #11 an MG special?
#5 is Panhard-based
#11 is MG-based
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Is #11 a 1950 Lester MG Special?
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I believe #16 is the 1952 Panhard-powered Aardvark H-Modified.
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I have for #5, 1951 Panhard Barquette X86
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Is #11 a 1950 Lester MG Special?
No, it's not that.
This car was re-bodied to look like a Maserati in the late 1950s
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I believe #16 is the 1952 Panhard-powered Aardvark H-Modified.
Not that.
The car is British....
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I have for #5, 1951 Panhard Barquette X86
Although it is Panhard X86-based, this car is not French and was raced under a different name.
Sorry Tackitt but most of these cars are quite difficult to ID as you can see.....
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#24 is the Lotus Mk6 bodied by Peter Kirwan-Taylor (I think it was built by Williams and Pritchard)
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#11 is the Dargue-MG
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#02 is the Delettrez Diesel le mans car from 1950
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#02 is the Delettrez Diesel le mans car from 1950
That's correct - the car raced at Le Mans in 1949 & 1950
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#11 is the Dargue-MG
Correct again
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#24 is the Lotus Mk6 bodied by Peter Kirwan-Taylor (I think it was built by Williams and Pritchard)
Yes again for a third point - well done!
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This is so frustrating - I'd have another 3 solved if I was at home! >:(
Another great puzzle by the way, I do enjoy these a lot!
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This is so frustrating - I'd have another 3 solved if I was at home! >:(
Another great puzzle by the way, I do enjoy these a lot!
I know what you mean
I think this puzzle will still be around when you return...... ;)
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PHOTO 1 , SERENISSIMA , PHOTO PROBABLY TAKEN IN THE PADDOCK AT ENNA
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PHOTO 1 , SERENISSIMA , PHOTO PROBABLY TAKEN IN THE PADDOCK AT ENNA
Yes, it's a Serenissima.
Can you give me model or engine configuration for the point.
Locked for you......
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engine was a v 8
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engine was a v 8
Okay thanks, I should have asked for the model and the engine configuration - my mistake!
Anyway, the point is yours.
It's a Serenissima 3000S V8 Competizione 1968
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Is number #26 the 1948 C.T.E. DKW?
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A long shot: is #14 Alberto del Campo's 1952 del Campo Special
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A long shot: is #14 Alberto del Campo's 1952 del Campo Special
Sorry but not that one
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How much are you looking for for #18? The name of the guy who built it? I can remember what it is based around and that's about it (I can also remember what year it appeared in a popular magazine's 'mystery car' competition..)
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I have run down about six different sources, all of whom call this car the 1951 barquette PANHARD X86 Dyna 610 cc as raced at Le Mans that year and nothing else.
Am I missing something in the name?
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How much are you looking for for #18? The name of the guy who built it? I can remember what it is based around and that's about it (I can also remember what year it appeared in a popular magazine's 'mystery car' competition..)
No I'm not looking for the name of the guy who built it.
I require the make/model and also the year if you have it.
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Is number #26 the 1948 C.T.E. DKW?
Not that one
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I have run down about six different sources, all of whom call this car the 1951 barquette PANHARD X86 Dyna 610 cc as raced at Le Mans that year and nothing else.
Am I missing something in the name?
Tackitt, your reply made me carry out more research on this car.
I will come back to you in full shortly but my initial search indicates that this car never competed at Le Mans and wasn't even built in France (despite the French registration). It is however based on a Panhard Dyna X86.
I have photos of all cars that competed at Le Mans and I believe it is similar to one of them (I'll post the image when I get a chance to scan it) and we can compare them.
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I have run down about six different sources, all of whom call this car the 1951 barquette PANHARD X86 Dyna 610 cc as raced at Le Mans that year and nothing else.
Am I missing something in the name?
Tackitt, your reply made me carry out more research on this car.
I will come back to you in full shortly but my initial search indicates that this car never competed at Le Mans and wasn't even built in France (despite the French registration). It is however based on a Panhard Dyna X86.
I have photos of all cars that competed at Le Mans and I believe it is similar to one of them (I'll post the image when I get a chance to scan it) and we can compare them.
After some more research, I can tell you no similar Panhard competed at Le Mans in 1951. Those that did compete that year were quite different to the puzzle car.
However there was a similar car at Le Mans in 1950 (see below) that perhaps the puzzle car was modeled on.
My book on Panhard Dyna history shows the puzzle car with a caption that states the car was built in another country and competed in local races there. I presume the car is now in France hence the registration. (see below)
This car was known by a separate name.
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#05 is locked for Tackitt at the moment
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Mmmmm.....only four correct answers so far.
I think it's time for the Pros to solve a few more
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#6 - Crusader 1964
#14 - Cassidy MG special
#26 - MAP 1950
#28 - JRM
#29 - Repco?
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#6 - Crusader 1964
#14 - Cassidy MG special
#26 - MAP 1950
#28 - JRM
#29 - Repco?
#6 - yes
#14 - yes
#26 - yes
#28 - yes
#29 - no
Four points for you PJ - well done
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#8 - Lebacq DL18
#10 - Havas - Porsche
#18 - Sauter - DKW
#19 - Sail - Fiat 1100
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#15 - maybe one of Heve cars? Very familiar picture...
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#8 - Lebacq DL18
#10 - Havas - Porsche
#18 - Sauter - DKW
#19 - Sail - Fiat 1100
#8 - yes
#10 - yes
#18 - no - the car is of European origin but is competing on the other side of the world - Sauter is not the name I have for it.
#19 - yes
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#15 - maybe one of Heve cars? Very familiar picture...
Not Heve but from the same continent
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#18...strange. If you google Sauter - DKW you'll get at least two sources with two different photos, one of which is a Sauter dedicated website ???
As for #15, probably Argentinian (guess you'd say 'same country' if it was Brasilian)?
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#18...strange. If you google Sauter - DKW you'll get at least two sources with two different photos, one of which is a Sauter dedicated website ???
As for #15, probably Argentinian (guess you'd say 'same country' if it was Brasilian)?
Let me look into #18 by google as the puzzle car comes from a Far Eastern source. Maybe it was a Sauter before it arrived there?
#15 is from Argentina.......
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You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
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You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
I can see what you mean - the car appears to have a Sauter body but is right-hand drive.
I don't know about the Brugger-DKW but the puzzle car is from the Far East and is named after a well-known German name with a model name 1000RS and dates from 1959.
Any more thoughts? I'll lock it for you anyway at the moment.
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Melkus? Would be rather wild, as I have never seen anything like this from them... (and well, if it is the name, I would make a supposition that it could have been a mistake or a typo, no offense)
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#7 is also very familiar. Is it Riley powered, by any chance?
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Melkus? Would be rather wild, as I have never seen anything like this from them... (and well, if it is the name, I would make a supposition that it could have been a mistake or a typo, no offense)
No, not Melkus but it is a German make
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#7 is also very familiar. Is it Riley powered, by any chance?
British but not Riley powered
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I will start adding some clues in a few days if response is slow
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Wow! Just as we have all been warned. Once a "fact" gets on enough websites, it is regarded as true.
I am otherwise short of pictures but I am going to take a guess:
Is it the 1956 Panhard Dyna Disco Volante driven by Giancarlo Rigamonti?
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Wow! Just as we have all been warned. Once a "fact" gets on enough websites, it is regarded as true.
I am otherwise short of pictures but I am going to take a guess:
Is it the 1956 Panhard Dyna Disco Volante driven by Giancarlo Rigamonti?
Not that one, sorry.
I'll unlock it now for any further guesses.
It's true that there are many untrue facts on the Internet and other sources should be checked first (if possible)
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I'm going to add clues tonight for the unsolved ones.
You will see them on the first page where the results are listed.
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#3 - I guess I've seen it while looking through Australian cars. No name was specified though. Still I have a reason to suppose it is under 1300cc.
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#23 is a 1970 Heve P3
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#16 - I can think of only Weber Special from GB, but there's still a difference is spelling from M.Webber...
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#3 - I guess I've seen it while looking through Australian cars. No name was specified though. Still I have a reason to suppose it is under 1300cc.
It's not Australian but does have an engine less than 1000cc
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#23 is a 1970 Heve P3
That's correct
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#16 - I can think of only Weber Special from GB, but there's still a difference is spelling from M.Webber...
Yes that's the car.
I meant to say it is similar to the name of a current F1 driver - apologies for that.
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Is #13 the ex-Barbier Peugeot 203 rebodied in 1955 by Carrosserie Bonnet in Alès for Paul Guirand, being driven at the 1956 Liège-Rome-Liège?
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Not in that event and it's a smaller car
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Not in that event and it's a smaller car
Panhard Dyna base again?
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Not in that event and it's a smaller car
Panhard Dyna base again?
Yes - how did you guess that! ;)
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Is #13 a Panhard Dyna bodied by Plantivaux?
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Is #13 a Panhard Dyna bodied by Plantivaux?
Not that one, sorry
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Watch out for new clues in the coming days........
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# 18: Sauter-DKW, CH,
Grand Prix Macao, 1959, 2. place, Driver Walter Sulke (Hongkong)
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# 18: Sauter-DKW, CH,
Grand Prix Macao, 1959, 2. place, Driver Walter Sulke (Hongkong)
Faksta has already suggested that this is a Sauter-DKW which is not the name I have this one under.
It has a Sauter body though and did win a race in the Far East at a different venue, different year and different driver.
See my reply to Faksta below for a comparison of the cars.
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You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
I can see what you mean - the car appears to have a Sauter body but is right-hand drive.
I don't know about the Brugger-DKW but the puzzle car is from the Far East and is named after a well-known German name with a model name 1000RS and dates from 1959.
Any more thoughts? I'll lock it for you anyway at the moment.
Faksta, I have just replied to siata1 regarding #18.
I think it would be good now to compare the Sauter-DKWs on the Sauter site with the puzzle car (original photo).
Two photos of the Sauter DKW and the original photo of #18.
Note a few differences - the puzzle car is right-hand drive, etc.
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Indeed, but the body is surely Swiss.
Was it raced in Malaya?
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Indeed, but the body is surely Swiss.
Was it raced in Malaya?
Yes it is a Sauter body.
It was pictured in a Malysian/Singapore event
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Was it entered as Auto Union 1000 RS? 1960, Bill Wyllie? Johore GP?
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Was it entered as Auto Union 1000 RS? 1960, Bill Wyllie? Johore GP?
Yes, that's exactly what I have.
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#13 is a Panhard Gallas ( Tour de France 1954 )
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#13 is a Panhard Gallas ( Tour de France 1954 )
That's the car.
Welcome to AutoPuzzles SACO!
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Today I've just put in or added to the clues (see reply 3) which may make it easier to solve them.
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#3: 1958 Ver Valen Crosley Devin Monza Special
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#3: 1958 Ver Valen Crosley Devin Monza Special
Indeed - another one down!
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# 17 Griffon 1971: engine 1-Litre-Ford-Novamotor, built by Jean-Louis Burgnard (Geneva), driven by Charles Ramu-Caccia in 1971 Swiss Championship.
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# 21: Raymond Sport 1000, seen here in 1972 Targa Florio, driven by Mauro Nesti and Mario Rovella.
The clue made it very easy - thank you.
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# 17 Griffon 1971: engine 1-Litre-Ford-Novamotor, built by Jean-Louis Burgnard (Geneva), driven by Charles Ramu-Caccia in 1971 Swiss Championship.
Not that one
The year is correct though....
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# 21: Raymond Sport 1000, seen here in 1972 Targa Florio, driven by Mauro Nesti and Mario Rovella.
The clue made it very easy - thank you.
Correct!
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#12 Atlantis
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#12 Atlantis
Yes, that's the one!
The three transformations of the Atlantis -
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Another view of #17
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#05 Swedish Panhard X86
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#05 Swedish Panhard X86
Yes it is but it had a specific name.
xx Special - very easy if you think about it.
I'll lock it for you until your next reply.
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#5 I don't know!
51 Special ?
86 Special ?
PL Special ?
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#5 I don't know!
51 Special ?
86 Special ?
PL Special ?
Not any of those.
Two letters reflecting the name of the base car.
I'll keep it locked for you but just for 24 hours.
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JR Special ?
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JR Special ?
Not that.
One last chance for you - the car is based on a Xxxx Xxxxxxx - the two capital Xs will give you the answer.
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DP Special ? :P
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DP Special ? :P
Yes it's the DP Special.
Another point for you.
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17 , Cheetah ?
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17 , Cheetah ?
Not that animal - you're at the wrong end of the alphabet......
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#17: Zebra-Moutier 1973
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#17: Zebra-Moutier 1973
Yes, it's a Zebra but I have a different year.
Built by M. Bernasconi & M. Fleury at Moutier for Jacques Boillat.
I'll lock it for you to come up with the correct year.
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I have 1972-73 as the date for this only Zebra built, so I go for 1972.
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I have 1972-73 as the date for this only Zebra built, so I go for 1972.
Date of build is often questionable for this type of car.
I have it as 1971 and I suspect the car was built that year prior to making its competition debut in 1972.
The point is yours whatever.
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Two thirds complete now.
Ten points still up for grabs......
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#15: Ford V8-powered Clemar Bucci
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#15: Ford V8-powered Clemar Bucci
That's correct.
I'm happy to award you your 333rd. point (just a little late to coincide with your 3,333rd. post!) ;D
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Thank you
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#27 - Ban Sing Special?
#30 - Byfield MG?
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#27 - Ban Sing Special?
#30 - Byfield MG?
#27 - Ban Sing Special II of 1962
One point for you
#30 - Byfield is correct but not the MG version. This one dates from 1959.
I'll lock it for you until your next reply.
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A Byfield - Citroen?
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A Byfield - Citroen?
More local than Citroen.......
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Repco Holden Sports by Cliff Byfield! I remember it with a different body, but found a picture of this look as well...
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Here it is:
(You were lucky that my internet connection broke down, when I wanted to answer ;) )
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Repco Holden Sports by Cliff Byfield! I remember it with a different body, but found a picture of this look as well...
Well done that's it...
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#22 - MG TC of Thomas Hoan? Don't know whether that was a special or a production TC.
(The fact that it is one of the three cars of that make makes my guess quite impossible though)
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#22 - MG TC of Thomas Hoan? Don't know whether that was a special or a production TC.
(The fact that it is one of the three cars of that make makes my guess quite impossible though)
Not that.
Let me give you a clue - this car (the 2nd. special built) was based on a popular British car of the day (not an MG) and raced in Western Canada.
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#4 - Jankel Special?
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#4 - Jankel Special?
Not that I'm afraid
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29. Ferrari 500tr gino munaron sassi superga 1957
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29. Ferrari 500tr gino munaron sassi superga 1957
Similar in appearance but not that one.
Don't forget that the puzzle car comes from New Zealand in the 1970s.
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Still seven to solve and therefore 7 points up for grabs.
I'm amending/adding more clues (see Reply 3) shortly.....
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#7: RWG Special by Roy Watling-Greenwood
#20: Manta?
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#7: RWG Special by Roy Watling-Greenwood
#20: Manta?
#7 - that's the car - later the Denmark Special.
#20 - Manta is correct. Based on a Jaguar base and built in 1959. That's all I know about this car.
Well done Wendax, two points for you.
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#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
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#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Not Kiki.
Think of a mythical monster appearing on film!
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#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Not Kiki.
Think of a mythical monster appearing on film!
Kong?
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#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Not Kiki.
Think of a mythical monster appearing on film!
Kong?
Kong it is.
One of three low budget sports racers built by Wilson Kong of Vancouver BC in the period 1951-1958.
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#4 - 1957 Wingfield - Bristol?
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#4 - 1957 Wingfield - Bristol?
That's it.
Well found and another point for you.
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This puzzle has stalled since September and as I'm planning another Sports Racing puzzle (for newer cars) I'd like to wrap this one up.
Therefore as an incentive I'm offering two points for each of the three remaining cars.....
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Let me add a few clues to the last three cars -
I'll add more if necessary.
#09 - It has a Holden engine and an early Milano body. First 3 letters are a word associated with rowing.
#25 - The first 3 letters is the make of engine it uses and the last 3 letters are ELL.
#29 - Shares the same name as the surname of the driver of this old GP car (see below)
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Is #29 Ascari?
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Is #29 Ascari?
No - don't forget the driver of the car is a lady...... ;)
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Is #29 Ascari?
No - don't forget the driver of the car is a lady...... ;)
:bag: Avanzo?
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Is #29 Ascari?
No - don't forget the driver of the car is a lady...... ;)
:bag: Avanzo?
Yes, well done - that's the name.
The puzzle car is called Avanzo, Alfa Romeo-based and built in 1976.
Two points for you and two more cars to go......
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#9: Coxan?
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#9: Coxan?
Just one letter out.......Cox_n
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Coxin?
And #25 is the Imperell.
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Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
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Coxin?
And #25 is the Imperell.
That's correct....
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Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
It is Coxon and it's worth 2 points!
My New Year's gift to wrap this one up.
Puzzle now solved and on with the next one.
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Thank you to everyone who contributed to this puzzle.
I'm going to try a similar one but featuring newer sports racers - some easy and some difficult.
Watch this space!
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Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
It is Coxon and it's worth 2 points!
You're too generous!
Looking forward to the next one.
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Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
It is Coxon and it's worth 2 points!
You're too generous!
Looking forward to the next one.
My generosity usually only extends to festive periods!
Normally as you know I don't really like to solve puzzles the easy way but.........in this case...... ;)
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Would be cool to know what other festive days are! ;D
Sorry, I couldn't help it!
HAPPY New Year! Best wishes!
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Would be cool to know what other festive days are! ;D
Sorry, I couldn't help it!
HAPPY New Year! Best wishes!
Well, the day I win the lottery would be one! ;D
Happy New Year to you too!
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Award you points ? ;)
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Award you points ? ;)
:D