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Title: Solved - MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 24, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
This is my third group puzzle on sports racing cars.

As it may take some time to complete this one I'll award points as each car is solved.
Some are easy but others may cause some head scratching.

One point for each correct guess - it should be sufficient in most cases to name the make and model or year.

As always any additional information is welcome as many of these cars are relatively obscure.

First batch -
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 24, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
Second batch -
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 24, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
Third batch -
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 24, 2011, 04:31:17 PM
Answers

01 - Serenissima 3000S V8 Competizione 1968 (solved by Shamrock)
02 - Delettrez Le Mans 1950 (solved by Barrett)
03 - VerValen Crosley Devin Special 1958 (solved by Wendax)
04 - Wingfield-Bristol 1957(solved by faksta)
05 - DP Special 1959 (solved by SACO)
06 - Crusader 1964 (solved by Paul Jaray)
07 - RWG Ford Special 1946 (solved by Wendax)
08 - Lebacq DL18 1983 (solved by faksta)
09 - Coxon Holden Milano (solved by Carnut)
10 - Havas Porsche 1964 (solved by faksta)
11 - Dargue MG (solved by Barrett)
12 - Atlantis 1967 version (solved by Djetset)
13 - Gallas-Panhard 1954 (solved by SACO)
14 - Cassidy-MG 1953 (solved by Paul Jaray)
15 - Bucci-Ford V8 (solved by Wendax)
16 - Weber 1100 Special (solved by faksta)
17 - Zebra Ford 1971/2 (solved by Wendax)
18 - Auto Union 1000RS Sauter 1959 (solved by faksta)
19 - Sail-Fiat 1100 1947 (solved by faksta)
20 - Manta Jaguar 1959 (solved by Wendax)
21 - Raymond 1000 Sport 1972 (solved by siata1)
22 - Kong Special 1956 (solved by Wendax)
23 - Heve P3 1970 (solved by faksta)
24 - Lotus Mk VI Kirwan-Taylor (solved by Barrett)
25 - Imperell (solved by Wendax)
26 - MAP Le Mans 1950 (solved by Paul Jaray)
27 - Ban Sing Special II 1962 (solved by faksta)
28 - JRM GT Coupe (solved by Paul Jaray)
29 - Avanzo 1976 (solved by Wendax)
30 - Byfield Repco-Holden 1959 (solved by faksta)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Carnut on April 24, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
#5 must be some kind of Panhard?
Is #11 an MG special?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 24, 2011, 07:35:01 PM
#5 must be some kind of Panhard?
Is #11 an MG special?
#5 is Panhard-based
#11 is MG-based
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Tackitt on April 24, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
Is #11 a 1950 Lester MG Special?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Tackitt on April 24, 2011, 09:22:57 PM
I believe #16 is the 1952 Panhard-powered Aardvark H-Modified.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Tackitt on April 24, 2011, 09:32:07 PM
I have for #5, 1951 Panhard Barquette X86 
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 01:51:18 AM
Is #11 a 1950 Lester MG Special?
No, it's not that.
This car was re-bodied to look like a Maserati in the late 1950s
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 01:53:23 AM
I believe #16 is the 1952 Panhard-powered Aardvark H-Modified.
Not that.
The car is British....
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 01:58:29 AM
I have for #5, 1951 Panhard Barquette X86 
Although it is Panhard X86-based, this car is not French and was raced under a different name.

Sorry Tackitt but most of these cars are quite difficult to ID as you can see.....
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: barrett on April 25, 2011, 03:05:16 AM
#24  is the Lotus Mk6 bodied by Peter Kirwan-Taylor (I think it was built by Williams and Pritchard)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: barrett on April 25, 2011, 03:13:22 AM
#11 is the Dargue-MG
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: barrett on April 25, 2011, 03:19:54 AM
#02 is the Delettrez Diesel le mans car from 1950
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 04:10:09 AM
#02 is the Delettrez Diesel le mans car from 1950
That's correct - the car raced at Le Mans in 1949 & 1950
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 04:11:26 AM
#11 is the Dargue-MG
Correct again
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 04:12:59 AM
#24  is the Lotus Mk6 bodied by Peter Kirwan-Taylor (I think it was built by Williams and Pritchard)
Yes again for a third point - well done!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: barrett on April 25, 2011, 05:31:08 AM
This is so frustrating - I'd have another 3 solved if I was at home! >:(

Another great puzzle by the way, I do enjoy these a lot!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 25, 2011, 06:01:54 AM
This is so frustrating - I'd have another 3 solved if I was at home! >:(

Another great puzzle by the way, I do enjoy these a lot!
I know what you mean
I think this puzzle will still be around when you return...... ;)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: shamrock on April 27, 2011, 01:51:15 AM
 PHOTO 1 , SERENISSIMA , PHOTO PROBABLY TAKEN IN THE PADDOCK AT ENNA
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 27, 2011, 02:04:31 AM
PHOTO 1 , SERENISSIMA , PHOTO PROBABLY TAKEN IN THE PADDOCK AT ENNA
Yes, it's a Serenissima.
Can you give me model or engine configuration for the point.
Locked for you......
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: shamrock on April 28, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
engine was a v 8
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 29, 2011, 03:24:25 AM
engine was a v 8
Okay thanks, I should have asked for the model and the engine configuration - my mistake!
Anyway, the point is yours.
It's a Serenissima 3000S V8 Competizione 1968
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Tackitt on April 29, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
Is number #26 the 1948 C.T.E. DKW?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: D-type on April 29, 2011, 05:50:48 PM
A long shot:  is #14 Alberto del Campo's 1952 del Campo Special
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on April 30, 2011, 12:32:49 AM
A long shot:  is #14 Alberto del Campo's 1952 del Campo Special
Sorry but not that one
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: barrett on April 30, 2011, 02:35:26 AM
How much are you looking for for #18? The name of the guy who built it? I can remember what it is based around and that's about it (I can also remember what year it appeared in a popular magazine's 'mystery car' competition..)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Tackitt on May 01, 2011, 02:46:48 PM
I have run down about six different sources, all of whom call this car the 1951 barquette PANHARD X86 Dyna 610 cc as raced at Le Mans that year and nothing else.
Am I missing something in the name?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 01, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
How much are you looking for for #18? The name of the guy who built it? I can remember what it is based around and that's about it (I can also remember what year it appeared in a popular magazine's 'mystery car' competition..)
No I'm not looking for the name of the guy who built it.
I require the make/model and also the year if you have it.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 01, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Is number #26 the 1948 C.T.E. DKW?
Not that one
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 01, 2011, 03:42:39 PM
I have run down about six different sources, all of whom call this car the 1951 barquette PANHARD X86 Dyna 610 cc as raced at Le Mans that year and nothing else.
Am I missing something in the name?
Tackitt, your reply made me carry out more research on this car.
I will come back to you in full shortly but my initial search indicates that this car never competed at Le Mans and wasn't even built in France (despite the French registration). It is however based on a Panhard Dyna X86.
I have photos of all cars that competed at Le Mans and I believe it is similar to one of them (I'll post the image when I get a chance to scan it) and we can compare them.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 03:58:11 AM
I have run down about six different sources, all of whom call this car the 1951 barquette PANHARD X86 Dyna 610 cc as raced at Le Mans that year and nothing else.
Am I missing something in the name?
Tackitt, your reply made me carry out more research on this car.
I will come back to you in full shortly but my initial search indicates that this car never competed at Le Mans and wasn't even built in France (despite the French registration). It is however based on a Panhard Dyna X86.
I have photos of all cars that competed at Le Mans and I believe it is similar to one of them (I'll post the image when I get a chance to scan it) and we can compare them.
After some more research, I can tell you no similar Panhard competed at Le Mans in 1951. Those that did compete that year were quite different to the puzzle car.
However there was a similar car at Le Mans in 1950 (see below) that perhaps the puzzle car was modeled on.

My book on Panhard Dyna history shows the puzzle car with a caption that states the car was built in another country and competed in local races there. I presume the car is now in France hence the registration. (see below)
This car was known by a separate name.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 05:56:34 AM
#05 is locked for Tackitt at the moment
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
Mmmmm.....only four correct answers so far.
I think it's time for the Pros to solve a few more
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 03, 2011, 09:12:19 AM
#6 - Crusader 1964
#14 - Cassidy MG special
#26 - MAP 1950
#28 - JRM
#29 - Repco?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 09:25:47 AM
#6 - Crusader 1964
#14 - Cassidy MG special
#26 - MAP 1950
#28 - JRM
#29 - Repco?
#6  - yes
#14 - yes
#26 - yes
#28 - yes
#29 - no

Four points for you PJ - well done
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2011, 12:10:41 PM
#8 - Lebacq DL18
#10 - Havas - Porsche
#18 - Sauter - DKW
#19 - Sail - Fiat 1100

Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2011, 12:35:30 PM
#15 - maybe one of Heve cars? Very familiar picture...
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 01:13:25 PM
#8 - Lebacq DL18
#10 - Havas - Porsche
#18 - Sauter - DKW
#19 - Sail - Fiat 1100


#8 - yes
#10 - yes
#18 - no - the car is of European origin but is competing on the other side of the world - Sauter is not the name I have for it.
#19 - yes
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
#15 - maybe one of Heve cars? Very familiar picture...
Not Heve but from the same continent
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2011, 01:18:05 PM
#18...strange. If you google Sauter - DKW you'll get at least two sources with two different photos, one of which is a Sauter dedicated website  ???

As for #15, probably Argentinian (guess you'd say 'same country' if it was Brasilian)?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
#18...strange. If you google Sauter - DKW you'll get at least two sources with two different photos, one of which is a Sauter dedicated website  ???

As for #15, probably Argentinian (guess you'd say 'same country' if it was Brasilian)?
Let me look into #18 by google as the puzzle car comes from a Far Eastern source. Maybe it was a Sauter before it arrived there?
#15 is from Argentina.......
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2011, 01:28:31 PM
You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 01:45:58 PM
You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
I can see what you mean - the car appears to have a Sauter body but is right-hand drive.
I don't know about the Brugger-DKW but the puzzle car is from the Far East and is named after a well-known German name with a model name 1000RS and dates from 1959.
Any more thoughts? I'll lock it for you anyway at the moment.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2011, 02:09:02 PM
Melkus? Would be rather wild, as I have never seen anything like this from them... (and well, if it is the name, I would make a supposition that it could have been a mistake or a typo, no offense)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
#7 is also very familiar. Is it Riley powered, by any chance?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 04:44:06 PM
Melkus? Would be rather wild, as I have never seen anything like this from them... (and well, if it is the name, I would make a supposition that it could have been a mistake or a typo, no offense)
No, not Melkus but it is a German make
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 04:45:38 PM
#7 is also very familiar. Is it Riley powered, by any chance?
British but not Riley powered
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 04:49:12 PM
I will start adding some clues in a few days if response is slow
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Tackitt on May 03, 2011, 07:11:35 PM
Wow!  Just as we have all been warned. Once a "fact" gets on enough websites, it is regarded as true.

I am otherwise short of pictures but I am going to take a guess:

Is it the 1956 Panhard Dyna Disco Volante driven by Giancarlo Rigamonti?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 03, 2011, 11:04:02 PM
Wow!  Just as we have all been warned. Once a "fact" gets on enough websites, it is regarded as true.

I am otherwise short of pictures but I am going to take a guess:

Is it the 1956 Panhard Dyna Disco Volante driven by Giancarlo Rigamonti?
Not that one, sorry.
I'll unlock it now for any further guesses.

It's true that there are many untrue facts on the Internet and other sources should be checked first (if possible)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 08, 2011, 01:37:32 PM
I'm going to add clues tonight for the unsolved ones.
You will see them on the first page where the results are listed.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 08, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
#3 - I guess I've seen it while looking through Australian cars. No name was specified though. Still I have a reason to suppose it is under 1300cc.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 08, 2011, 06:21:51 PM
#23 is a 1970 Heve P3
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on May 08, 2011, 06:34:49 PM
#16 - I can think of only Weber Special from GB, but there's still a difference is spelling from M.Webber...
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 09, 2011, 02:36:44 AM
#3 - I guess I've seen it while looking through Australian cars. No name was specified though. Still I have a reason to suppose it is under 1300cc.
It's not Australian but does have an engine less than 1000cc
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 09, 2011, 02:37:32 AM
#23 is a 1970 Heve P3
That's correct
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 09, 2011, 02:42:15 AM
#16 - I can think of only Weber Special from GB, but there's still a difference is spelling from M.Webber...
Yes that's the car.
I meant to say it is similar to the name of a current F1 driver - apologies for that.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on May 14, 2011, 03:59:06 PM
Is #13 the ex-Barbier Peugeot 203 rebodied in 1955 by Carrosserie Bonnet in Alès for Paul Guirand, being driven at the 1956 Liège-Rome-Liège?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 14, 2011, 04:13:05 PM
Not in that event and it's a smaller car
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on May 15, 2011, 06:26:12 AM
Not in that event and it's a smaller car

Panhard Dyna base again?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 15, 2011, 09:16:51 AM
Not in that event and it's a smaller car

Panhard Dyna base again?
Yes - how did you guess that!  ;)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on May 16, 2011, 04:38:06 AM
Is #13 a Panhard Dyna bodied by Plantivaux?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on May 16, 2011, 11:50:12 AM
Is #13 a Panhard Dyna bodied by Plantivaux?
Not that one, sorry
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 06, 2011, 04:41:08 PM
Watch out for new clues in the coming days........
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Siata1 on June 07, 2011, 07:48:33 AM
# 18: Sauter-DKW, CH,
Grand Prix Macao, 1959, 2. place, Driver Walter Sulke (Hongkong)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 07, 2011, 10:48:28 AM
# 18: Sauter-DKW, CH,
Grand Prix Macao, 1959, 2. place, Driver Walter Sulke (Hongkong)
Faksta has already suggested that this is a Sauter-DKW which is not the name I have this one under.
It has a Sauter body though and did win a race in the Far East at a different venue, different year and different driver.
See my reply to Faksta below for a comparison of the cars.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 07, 2011, 10:56:47 AM
You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
I can see what you mean - the car appears to have a Sauter body but is right-hand drive.
I don't know about the Brugger-DKW but the puzzle car is from the Far East and is named after a well-known German name with a model name 1000RS and dates from 1959.
Any more thoughts? I'll lock it for you anyway at the moment.
Faksta, I have just replied to siata1 regarding #18.
I think it would be good now to compare the Sauter-DKWs on the Sauter site with the puzzle car (original photo).

Two photos of the Sauter DKW and the original photo of #18.
Note a few differences - the puzzle car is right-hand drive, etc.

Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on June 07, 2011, 01:01:30 PM
Indeed, but the body is surely Swiss.

Was it raced in Malaya?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 07, 2011, 02:05:50 PM
Indeed, but the body is surely Swiss.

Was it raced in Malaya?
Yes it is a Sauter body.
It was pictured in a Malysian/Singapore event
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on June 07, 2011, 04:01:05 PM
Was it entered as Auto Union 1000 RS? 1960, Bill Wyllie? Johore GP?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 07, 2011, 04:58:39 PM
Was it entered as Auto Union 1000 RS? 1960, Bill Wyllie? Johore GP?
Yes, that's exactly what I have.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: SACO on June 11, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
#13 is a Panhard Gallas ( Tour de France 1954 )
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 12, 2011, 11:11:40 AM
#13 is a Panhard Gallas ( Tour de France 1954 )
That's the car.
Welcome to AutoPuzzles SACO!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 20, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Today I've just put in or added to the clues (see reply 3) which may make it easier to solve them.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on June 20, 2011, 02:23:05 PM
#3: 1958 Ver Valen Crosley Devin Monza Special
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 20, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
#3: 1958 Ver Valen Crosley Devin Monza Special
Indeed - another one down!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Siata1 on June 20, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
# 17 Griffon 1971: engine 1-Litre-Ford-Novamotor, built by Jean-Louis Burgnard (Geneva), driven by Charles Ramu-Caccia in 1971 Swiss Championship.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Siata1 on June 20, 2011, 05:22:30 PM
# 21: Raymond Sport 1000, seen here in 1972 Targa Florio, driven by Mauro Nesti and Mario Rovella.

The clue made it very easy - thank you.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 20, 2011, 06:00:13 PM
# 17 Griffon 1971: engine 1-Litre-Ford-Novamotor, built by Jean-Louis Burgnard (Geneva), driven by Charles Ramu-Caccia in 1971 Swiss Championship.
Not that one
The year is correct though....
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 20, 2011, 06:01:23 PM
# 21: Raymond Sport 1000, seen here in 1972 Targa Florio, driven by Mauro Nesti and Mario Rovella.

The clue made it very easy - thank you.
Correct!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Djetset on June 20, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
#12 Atlantis
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 20, 2011, 07:09:41 PM
#12 Atlantis
Yes, that's the one!

The three transformations of the Atlantis -
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 20, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
Another view of #17
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: SACO on June 21, 2011, 07:47:36 AM
#05 Swedish Panhard X86
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 21, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
#05 Swedish Panhard X86
Yes it is but it had a specific name.
xx Special - very easy if you think about it.
I'll lock it for you until your next reply.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: SACO on June 21, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
#5    I don't know!

51 Special  ?
86 Special  ?
PL Special  ?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 21, 2011, 07:55:57 PM
#5    I don't know!

51 Special  ?
86 Special  ?
PL Special  ?

Not any of those.
Two letters reflecting the name of the base car.
I'll keep it locked for you but just for 24 hours.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: SACO on June 22, 2011, 01:03:09 AM
JR Special ?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 22, 2011, 02:29:54 AM
JR Special ?
Not that.
One last chance for you - the car is based on a Xxxx Xxxxxxx - the two capital Xs will give you the answer.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: SACO on June 22, 2011, 03:27:12 AM
DP Special ? :P
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 22, 2011, 01:19:31 PM
DP Special ? :P
Yes it's the DP Special.
Another point for you.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: shamrock on June 23, 2011, 01:29:23 AM
17 , Cheetah ?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 02:53:00 AM
17 , Cheetah ?
Not that animal - you're at the wrong end of the alphabet......
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on June 23, 2011, 02:55:51 AM
#17: Zebra-Moutier 1973
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
#17: Zebra-Moutier 1973
Yes, it's a Zebra but I have a different year.
Built by M. Bernasconi & M. Fleury at Moutier for Jacques Boillat.
I'll lock it for you to come up with the correct year.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on June 23, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
I have 1972-73 as the date for this only Zebra built, so I go for 1972.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 05:13:19 AM
I have 1972-73 as the date for this only Zebra built, so I go for 1972.
Date of build is often questionable for this type of car.
I have it as 1971 and I suspect the car was built that year prior to making its competition debut in 1972.
The point is yours whatever.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 05:17:17 AM
Two thirds complete now.
Ten points still up for grabs......
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on June 23, 2011, 06:39:00 AM
#15: Ford V8-powered Clemar Bucci
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 07:18:31 AM
#15: Ford V8-powered Clemar Bucci
That's correct.
I'm happy to award you your 333rd. point (just a little late to coincide with your 3,333rd. post!)  ;D
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on June 23, 2011, 07:59:21 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2011, 12:11:05 PM
#27 - Ban Sing Special?
#30 - Byfield MG?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 12:37:02 PM
#27 - Ban Sing Special?
#30 - Byfield MG?
#27 - Ban Sing Special II of 1962
One point for you
#30 - Byfield is correct but not the MG version. This one dates from 1959.
I'll lock it for you until your next reply.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2011, 01:31:30 PM
A Byfield - Citroen?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 01:51:11 PM
A Byfield - Citroen?
More local than Citroen.......
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2011, 02:34:21 PM
Repco Holden Sports by Cliff Byfield! I remember it with a different body, but found a picture of this look as well...
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on June 23, 2011, 03:01:00 PM
Here it is:

(You were lucky that my internet connection broke down, when I wanted to answer  ;) )
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
Repco Holden Sports by Cliff Byfield! I remember it with a different body, but found a picture of this look as well...
Well done that's it...
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2011, 03:51:15 PM
#22 - MG TC of Thomas Hoan? Don't know whether that was a special or a production TC.

(The fact that it is one of the three cars of that make makes my guess quite impossible though)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on June 23, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
#22 - MG TC of Thomas Hoan? Don't know whether that was a special or a production TC.

(The fact that it is one of the three cars of that make makes my guess quite impossible though)
Not that.
Let me give you a clue - this car (the 2nd. special built) was based on a popular British car of the day (not an MG) and raced in Western Canada.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: jotage21 on July 18, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
#4 - Jankel Special?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on July 20, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
#4 - Jankel Special?
Not that I'm afraid
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 02, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
29. Ferrari 500tr gino munaron sassi superga 1957
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on September 02, 2011, 11:36:30 AM
29. Ferrari 500tr gino munaron sassi superga 1957
Similar in appearance but not that one.
Don't forget that the puzzle car comes from New Zealand in the 1970s.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on September 02, 2011, 11:49:22 AM
Still seven to solve and therefore 7 points up for grabs.

I'm amending/adding more clues (see Reply 3) shortly.....
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on September 02, 2011, 12:11:57 PM
#7: RWG Special by Roy Watling-Greenwood
#20: Manta?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on September 02, 2011, 12:20:04 PM
#7: RWG Special by Roy Watling-Greenwood
#20: Manta?
#7 - that's the car - later the Denmark Special.
#20 - Manta is correct. Based on a Jaguar base and built in 1959. That's all I know about this car.
Well done Wendax, two points for you.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on September 05, 2011, 02:21:44 AM
#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on September 05, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Not Kiki.
Think of a mythical monster appearing on film!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on September 05, 2011, 07:31:04 AM
#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Not Kiki.
Think of a mythical monster appearing on film!
Kong?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on September 05, 2011, 07:38:13 AM
#22 - Kiki? Say, Mk1? Doesn't sound too Asian, though.
Not Kiki.
Think of a mythical monster appearing on film!
Kong?
Kong it is.
One of three low budget sports racers built by Wilson Kong of Vancouver BC in the period 1951-1958.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: faksta on September 09, 2011, 03:27:59 AM
#4 - 1957 Wingfield - Bristol?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on September 09, 2011, 06:37:14 AM
#4 - 1957 Wingfield - Bristol?
That's it.
Well found and another point for you.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 01, 2012, 07:32:32 AM
This puzzle has stalled since September and as I'm planning another Sports Racing puzzle (for newer cars) I'd like to  wrap this one up.
Therefore as an incentive I'm offering two points for each of the three remaining cars.....
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 03:27:17 AM
Let me add a few clues to the last three cars -
I'll add more if necessary.

#09 - It has a Holden engine and an early Milano body. First 3 letters are a word associated with rowing.
#25 - The first 3 letters is the make of engine it uses and the last 3 letters are ELL.
#29 - Shares the same name as the surname of the driver of this old GP car (see below)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on January 04, 2012, 03:39:50 AM
Is #29 Ascari?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 04:44:38 AM
Is #29 Ascari?
No - don't forget the driver of the car is a lady...... ;)
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on January 04, 2012, 05:02:40 AM
Is #29 Ascari?
No - don't forget the driver of the car is a lady...... ;)
:bag: Avanzo?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 05:14:55 AM
Is #29 Ascari?
No - don't forget the driver of the car is a lady...... ;)
:bag: Avanzo?
Yes, well done - that's the name.
The puzzle car is called Avanzo, Alfa Romeo-based and built in 1976.
Two points for you and two more cars to go......
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on January 04, 2012, 06:30:17 AM
#9: Coxan?
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
#9: Coxan?
Just one letter out.......Cox_n
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Wendax on January 04, 2012, 10:23:30 AM
Coxin?

And #25 is the Imperell.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Carnut on January 04, 2012, 10:56:41 AM
Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 11:06:08 AM
Coxin?

And #25 is the Imperell.
That's correct....
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 11:08:43 AM
Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
It is Coxon and it's worth 2 points!
My New Year's gift to wrap this one up.
Puzzle now solved and on with the next one.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 11:14:08 AM
Thank you to everyone who contributed to this puzzle.
I'm going to try a similar one but featuring newer sports racers - some easy and some difficult.
Watch this space!
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Carnut on January 04, 2012, 11:24:48 AM
Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
It is Coxon and it's worth 2 points!


You're too generous!
Looking forward to the next one.
Title: Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 11:36:12 AM
Surely it's Coxon, but that can't be worth a point!
It is Coxon and it's worth 2 points!


You're too generous!
Looking forward to the next one.
My generosity usually only extends to festive periods!
Normally as you know I don't really like to solve puzzles the easy way but.........in this case...... ;)
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: Oguerrerob on January 04, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Would be cool to know what other festive days are!  ;D
Sorry, I couldn't help it!
HAPPY New Year! Best wishes!
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 04, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
Would be cool to know what other festive days are!  ;D
Sorry, I couldn't help it!
HAPPY New Year! Best wishes!
Well, the day I win the lottery would be one! ;D
Happy New Year to you too!
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: SACO on January 06, 2012, 03:33:00 AM
Award you points ?  ;)
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
Post by: woodinsight on January 06, 2012, 03:41:52 AM
Award you points ?  ;)
:D