Solved -PJ442- Pivot 24 hp Roi de Belge Tourer 1905

[Paul Jaray]

Magali?

[woodinsight]

This is like picking a needle from a haystack - I have another 16 makes under letter 'M' alone.
Did the manufacturer only produce cars in 1905?

[Allemano]

Boyer? (Noé Boyer et Cie.)

[Paul Jaray]

Berliet?

I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...

This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

[Paul Jaray]

Boyer? (Noé Boyer et Cie.)

[Allemano]

Louet?

[Paul Jaray]

Louet?

[Allemano]

Tourand?

[Paul Jaray]

Tourand?

[woodinsight]

Express?

[Paul Jaray]

Express?

[Wendax]

Pivot 24 HP, built by Automobiles Pivot in Puteaux

[Oguerrerob]

Berliet?

I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...

This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

BERLIET (1.895 - 1.939)
Berliet was a French manufacturer of automobiles, trucks and other utility vehicles. Marius Berliet began experimenting with automobiles in 1894. After a few single-cylinder vehicles in 1900 built its first twin.
In 1902, Berliet took over the plant of Audibert and Lavirotte in Lyon. Berliet then began to build four-cylinder cars with honeycomb radiator and steel chassis frame instead of wood as usual. The following year, launched a similar model Mercedes that time.
In 1906, Berliet sold a license for your model was manufactured by the American Locomotive Company.
Before the First World War, Berliet offered a range of models ranging from 60 hp to 8CV. The main models available four-cylinder engine (2412cc and 4398 cc, respectively) and had a six-cylinder model 9500cc. Between 1910 and 1912 produced a 12CV and 1539cc model. In 1912 only six units manufactured on request.
In 1917, Berliet trucks and began building cars for the French army. The company produced 40 units a day. After the war, produced models and 2613 cc 12CV, 15CV and 22CV y3308 cc and 4398cc.
In 1924 appeared a new model of 7CV and 1159 cc, and six new models appeared in 1927.
Since 1933, only offered the four-cylinder models 1600cc and 2000cc.
The only car offered by Berliet from 1936 was the Berliet Dauphine powered by a 2-liter engine.
The passenger car production ceased in 1939 and after the Second World War the company produced only trucks.
In 1967, Berliet was absorbed by Citroën.

[Paul Jaray]

Berliet?

I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...

This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

BERLIET (1.895 - 1.939)
Berliet was a French manufacturer of automobiles, trucks and other utility vehicles. Marius Berliet began experimenting with automobiles in 1894. After a few single-cylinder vehicles in 1900 built its first twin.
In 1902, Berliet took over the plant of Audibert and Lavirotte in Lyon. Berliet then began to build four-cylinder cars with honeycomb radiator and steel chassis frame instead of wood as usual. The following year, launched a similar model Mercedes that time.
In 1906, Berliet sold a license for your model was manufactured by the American Locomotive Company.
Before the First World War, Berliet offered a range of models ranging from 60 hp to 8CV. The main models available four-cylinder engine (2412cc and 4398 cc, respectively) and had a six-cylinder model 9500cc. Between 1910 and 1912 produced a 12CV and 1539cc model. In 1912 only six units manufactured on request.
In 1917, Berliet trucks and began building cars for the French army. The company produced 40 units a day. After the war, produced models and 2613 cc 12CV, 15CV and 22CV y3308 cc and 4398cc.
In 1924 appeared a new model of 7CV and 1159 cc, and six new models appeared in 1927.
Since 1933, only offered the four-cylinder models 1600cc and 2000cc.
The only car offered by Berliet from 1936 was the Berliet Dauphine powered by a 2-liter engine.
The passenger car production ceased in 1939 and after the Second World War the company produced only trucks.
In 1967, Berliet was absorbed by Citroën.

Sorry Oguerrerob, I don't understand this   

Pivot 24 HP, built by Automobiles Pivot in Puteaux

Seems we have a winner!
Pivot (1904-1908), picture taken from a brochure for the American market.
Well done, point for you!

[Oguerrerob]

Berliet?

I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...

This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

I felt your post disrepectful toward me.

[Paul Jaray]

If you felt so, I apologize...but I can't see how it can be read as irrespectful.
You all were naming one by one the hundreds of French makers, I suggest to narrow down the list with simple questions (is it still active, major brand, in business for more than 5 years, and so on...) but my suggestion went unnoticed.
This reply:

This is like picking a needle from a haystack - I have another 16 makes under letter 'M' alone.
Did the manufacturer only produce cars in 1905?

lead me to this answer:

Berliet?

I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...

This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

My comment was underlining that it was indeed like picking a needle in a haystack and that the 16 makes starting with M were useless...nothing to do with your reply or with Berliet (that was a legitimate guess after all..).

Still friends? 

[Oguerrerob]

Sorry, if I overeacted. Sure, Still friends 

[Paul Jaray]

And Wendax got his point #600!

Congratulations! 

[Wendax]

Grazie!

[woodinsight]

And Wendax got his point #600!

Congratulations! 

Amazingly quick! Congratulations Wendax! 

[Oguerrerob]

Wendax.  Great!!! Well done!! Keep going!!

[Wendax]

Thank you all for making this such a great community