Solved: PN #221 -- Cadillac V-63, 1924 at the 1925 Hungarian Touring Race

[pnegyesi]

Please identify the car with starting number 5. The picture was most probably taken in 1925 (my previous guess of 1924 was plainly wrong).
A brand name and an approximate model year are sufficient for a point.

[João]

Maybe a Fiat 521 (1928-31) ?

[pnegyesi]

The picture was definitely taken before 1926. So it can't be a Fiat 521.

[Wendax]

Those wheels remind me of American cars. Could it be a 1924 Moon 6-50?

[pnegyesi]

Though it looks a bit similar, but I don't think it is a Moon - smaller-scaler American brands arrived to Hungary from 1926-1927

[Wendax]

So you don't think it is American?

[pnegyesi]

I think it is not from USA

[Allemano]

The name of the shop suggests it's indeed not USAmerican... Is it from Hungaria?

[pnegyesi]

The picture was taken in Budapest, in front of a dealership which sold mainly French cars. It may have been French but I am not entirely sure.
It is definitely not a Hungarian-made car

[pnegyesi]

I was wrong, it seems this one IS from the US of A. And probably a tad earlier than 1924

[Manuel]

Packard with non original lights.

[Otto Puzzell]

I agree - the fenders, hood and front bumper suggest a Packard 236, appx ca. 1925

[pnegyesi]

Well, can you show me proof, because I am convinced it is not a Packard

[Tom_I]

I don't think the wheels are right for a Packard. The five bolt wheel fixing is not typical (though not impossible), and Packard Hubs would have had a red hexagon on the end (photo below), which is not there on the puzzle car.

Having had a look around, I think the wheels fit best with a 1924 or 25 Hupmobile. It's not easy to find good photos, but the three shown below all seem to fit quite well with the puzzle car (apart from the headlamps).

[pnegyesi]

No, I don't think it is Hupmobile either

[Manuel]

I am new here but I am on other car ID sites. I prefer this to crossword puzzles :-)
The car in front is a big car; of the Packard, Pierce, full size Studee etc etc etc  size.
The one at the back may be a Hupp but I don't think Hupp made them this big. I could be wrong. If u can't see the front of a car it could be anything!!
On other sites U can enlarge parts of the car. Is this done here? I don't know how but if so can someone enlarge a hubcap plse--it may help?
Cheers,
Manuel in Oz

[pnegyesi]

Puzzle car is car with starting No5, here's the original scan

[Otto Puzzell]

I don't think the wheels are right for a Packard. The five bolt wheel fixing is not typical (though not impossible), and Packard Hubs would have had a red hexagon on the end (photo below), which is not there on the puzzle car.

Packard sold cars with 5-bolt wheels in 1923-24. And a Packard pressed into rough-road use could be retrofitted with grease caps that protruded less.

[Tom_I]

That certainly ticks a lot of boxes - this body style was clearly used on a variety of chassis.

But the door handles are different, and the puzzle car has a swage line along the panel covering the chassis side member, scuttle mounted sidelamps, and no opening vent in front of the windscreen, details which fit with a Hupmobile Eight of about 1925.

Also the Packard has 28 louvres on the side of the bonnet, while the puzzle car and Hupmobile Eight only have 27...

I know, I should get out more. 

[pnegyesi]

I still don't think it is a Hupmobile

[Otto Puzzell]

Buick cars also had 27 louvers per side, at least in 1924. I can't find one with disc wheels.

[pnegyesi]

It is not a Buick, but getting closer (IMHO)

[Otto Puzzell]

Hmmm...

Pontiac/Oakland cars were sold in the 1920's with disc wheels.

More digging to do!

[Otto Puzzell]

Home page featured:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/

[Otto Puzzell]

No bites on the GM brands...

How about an Ajax Six, from the junior brand to Nash?