Please identify not only the Make and Model of the below cars, but also the Manufacturer of the Scale model.
Each picture that is correctly identified with the maker and the car receives 1 point.
Part 2
Easy points for the rookies:
01 BRM V8 (Penny) by barrett
02 1927 Dixi (Espewe) by barrett
03 1899 Gobron-Brillie (R.A.M.I.) by João
04 Lada 2102 (Minsk Toy Factory) by barrett
05 Ford model T (Charbens) by Oguerrerob
06 McLarenM26 (Welly) by Oguerrerob
07 Opel Corsa (Mira) by Oguerrerob
08 1939 Chevy (Ertl) by barrett
09 Chevrolet Corvette (Gisima) by barrett
10 Range Rover (HTI) by Oguerrerob
11 Peugeot 505 coupe (Guisval) by barrett
12 Sachensring P240 (Grell) by yves
13 Rover SD1 (Giodi) by Maxmotor
14 2001 HSV GTO Coupe (TPF) by Oguerrerob
15 (Dodge) Aries wagon (Hot Wheels) by barrett
16 Abarth 2000 (Politoys) by als15
17 Maserati Bora (Tin Toys) by Carnut
18 Peugeot 205 (Guiloy) by Oguerrerob
19 Honda Civic (Welly) by Oguerrerob
20 Toyota Celica (Dinky) by barrett
Gear! :thumbsup:
Tough, but great! :)
(BTW: a while ago I had quite a similar idea, but didn't know how to create a proper puzzle.. you made it just perfect!)
I am very surpised, not one guess!
#1 - BRM V8 by Penny (Polistil)
#2 - 1927 Dixi by Espewe (SPW)
#4 - Lada 2102 by Meha
#11 Peugeot 405 coupe by Guisval
#15 - (Dodge) Aries wagon by Hotwheels
#20 - Toyota Celica by Dinky-Kidco
#12 Sachensring P240 by Grell
#18 Peugeot 205 by Guisval
Quote from: barrett on August 16, 2010, 11:06:34 AM
#1 - BRM V8 by Penny (Polistil) :nod:
#2 - 1927 Dixi by Espewe (SPW) :nod:
#4 - Lada 2102 by Meha :disbelief:
#11 Peugeot 405 coupe by Guisval :nod:
#15 - (Dodge) Aries wagon by Hotwheels :nod:
#20 - Toyota Celica by Dinky-Kidco :nod:
With regards to Meha, I have seen the name, but it is not what I have.
Quote from: yves on August 16, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
#12 Sachensring P240 by Grell :nod:
#18 Peugeot 205 by Guisval :disbelief:
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 17, 2010, 10:18:28 AM
With regards to Meha, I have seen the name, but it is not what I have.
Okay, you probably have it as 'Minsk'. I wonder if this is a mistake, or a translation error? All other mentions (on the internet, at least) ascribe it to Meha.
&BTW.....
#8 - 1939 Chevy by Ertl
Minsk is what it says in Russian, apparently.
The other one is right too!
#19 - Ford by Yat-Ming. I think it's supposed to be a Mondeo, but I don't think it's specified. I've seen it as a 'European Ford'
#10 - I'm struggling with this one, i've found the model, obviously a Range-Rover, but I can't find any reference to a manufacturer, only that it's made in China >:( infuriating!
is #6 by Polistil?
Dont worry, fellow puzzlers, i'm running on empty here... I don't think i'll be able to get many more!
Quote from: barrett on August 19, 2010, 05:23:22 AM
# - Ford by Yat-Ming. I think it's supposed to be a Mondeo, but I don't think it's specified. I've seen it as a 'European Ford'
Dont worry, fellow puzzlers, i'm running on empty here... I don't think i'll be able to get many more!
There is/was no number, but fortunately, I think I know which one you mean. It's no Ford, according to my source.
#16 is an Abarth 3000 in 1:43th scale made by Politoys.
#13 maybe a Rover 3500 by Corgi Toys.
#3 maybe a Renault by Safir.
#7 Seat Ibiza by Guisval.
Quote from: als15 on August 20, 2010, 07:46:14 AM
#16 is an Abarth 3000 in 1:43th scale made by Politoys. :disbelief:
#13 maybe a Rover 3500 by Corgi Toys. :disbelief:
#3 maybe a Renault by Safir. :disbelief:
#7 Seat Ibiza by Guisval. :disbelief:
#16 is not far off, at #13 you identified the car.
#17 is a Tintoys Maserati Bora?
Quote from: barrett on August 19, 2010, 05:23:22 AM
#19 - Ford by Yat-Ming. I think it's supposed to be a Mondeo, but I don't think it's specified. I've seen it as a 'European Ford'
#10 - I'm struggling with this one, i've found the model, obviously a Range-Rover, but I can't find any reference to a manufacturer, only that it's made in China >:( infuriating!
is #6 by Polistil?
Dont worry, fellow puzzlers, i'm running on empty here... I don't think i'll be able to get many more!
I answered that one before you edited it. Not a Ford, therefore not a Mondeo.
#6 is not Polistil. Not related to it either.
Quote from: Carnut on August 20, 2010, 08:33:02 AM
#17 is a Tintoys Maserati Bora?
It is! I thought that one would stay a bit longer.
#19 is also described as a Honda....? Which would make it a Civic saloon
Is #16 a Penny Politoys Abarth 2000?
Quote from: barrett on August 20, 2010, 01:41:43 PM
#19 is also described as a Honda....? Which would make it a Civic saloon
But you know that that doesn't give you any points. I think the front looks more Civic-like then Mondeo-like, though
Quote from: Carnut on August 20, 2010, 07:05:20 PM
Is #16 a Penny Politoys Abarth 2000?
In my opinion - I am a collector - there is no Penny Politoys. Having said that, you kinda arrived. Your answer needs a small tweak.
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 21, 2010, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Carnut on August 20, 2010, 07:05:20 PM
Is #16 a Penny Politoys Abarth 2000?
In my opinion - I am a collector - there is no Penny Politoys. Having said that, you kinda arrived. Your answer needs a small tweak.
Maybe you're looking for 'Abarth 2000GT Racer'?
It's 1/66 scale and I thought they were referred to officially as Penny Polistil?
Below is an extract from a website:
QUOTE
So where does the 'Penny' name come in? Like many 1:43 scale producers, Politsil observed the success of Matchbox sized cars in the 1960's. While 1:43 scale was the collector's scale, 1:64 scale diecast seemed to be the money-making scale. Mercury offered the 'Speedy' line, Dinky offfered 'Mini Dinky' models and Politoys introduced the 'Penny' line. As shown on the rare boxed Iso Rivolta and Motor-Boat above, the Penny name included a penny-like logo
UNQUOTE
3 : Panhard-Levassor by Rami
18 : Peugeot 205 by Mira
Ok, so #16 should be an Abarth 3000 by "Polistil Penny", that's the brand for small car models (about 1:60th).
Quote from: Carnut on August 21, 2010, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 21, 2010, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: Carnut on August 20, 2010, 07:05:20 PM
Is #16 a Penny Politoys Abarth 2000?
In my opinion - I am a collector - there is no Penny Politoys. Having said that, you kinda arrived. Your answer needs a small tweak.
Maybe you're looking for 'Abarth 2000GT Racer'?
It's 1/66 scale and I thought they were referred to officially as Penny Polistil?
Below is an extract from a website:
QUOTE
So where does the 'Penny' name come in? Like many 1:43 scale producers, Politsil observed the success of Matchbox sized cars in the 1960's. While 1:43 scale was the collector's scale, 1:64 scale diecast seemed to be the money-making scale. Mercury offered the 'Speedy' line, Dinky offfered 'Mini Dinky' models and Politoys introduced the 'Penny' line. As shown on the rare boxed Iso Rivolta and Motor-Boat above, the Penny name included a penny-like logo
UNQUOTE
Penny was made up to a certain year. They are defined by a high detail casting and rubber wheels. The miniature of the Abarth is made without these tyres.
Quote from: yves on August 21, 2010, 03:59:41 PM
3 : Panhard-Levassor by Rami :disbelief:
18 : Peugeot 205 by Mira :disbelief:
Quote from: als15 on August 22, 2010, 05:57:07 AM
Ok, so #16 should be an Abarth 3000 by "Polistil Penny", that's the brand for small car models (about 1:60th).
No it is not.
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 23, 2010, 04:45:17 AM
Quote from: als15 on August 22, 2010, 05:57:07 AM
Ok, so #16 should be an Abarth 3000 by "Polistil Penny", that's the brand for small car models (about 1:60th).
No it is not.
So some not-Italian later re-edition... because it actually looks like a Polistil Penny: see the picture of a model in its original box.
The picture depicts everything this car is. You found the car, now find the complete answer.
There is something I'm missing... ???
About the car: the label says "Abarth 2000" even if the car is actually a 1969 Abarth 3000 "Type A". Perhaps a little mistake of the model maker, but I think this is not the point.
About the model brand we said:
- Politoys
- Polistil Penny
- Politoys Penny (which actually I think didn't exsist)
It only should remain "Polistil" (even if I only know a later 1:43 version branded Polistil, not the small one).
Or just "Penny".
One of the "model brands" that you claim was said I believe has never been said.
Look carefully at the picture you provided and you will see the complete answer.
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 23, 2010, 04:43:08 AM
Penny was made up to a certain year. They are defined by a high detail casting and rubber wheels. The miniature of the Abarth is made without these tyres.
So you're saying I'm wrong then?
The website I got my info from showed the following picture, which doesn't half look like your picture (also repeated at the bottom).
Apart from the racing number I can't actually tell any difference!
Quote from: Carnut on August 23, 2010, 08:01:34 AM
Quote from: DeAutogids on August 23, 2010, 04:43:08 AM
Penny was made up to a certain year. They are defined by a high detail casting and rubber wheels. The miniature of the Abarth is made without these tyres.
So you're saying I'm wrong then?
The website I got my info from showed the following picture, which doesn't half look like your picture (also repeated at the bottom).
Apart from the racing number I can't actually tell any difference!
I am saying that you're not entirely right. In other words: yes.
Just go to the post where you see the car in the box. My tip: Write down everything it says on the box and you have a point. I can't make it easier then that.
Ok. so it's a Politoys.
But, if so, it was my first answer... even if I told a wrong scale.
Quote from: als15 on August 23, 2010, 08:30:34 AM
Ok. so it's a Politoys.
But, if so, it was my first answer... even if I told a wrong scale.
Yes it is a Politoys, but your answer was still wrong, even allowing for the scale.
I cannot understand what I'm still missing... ???
If Politoys is the brand... is the car wrong ?
I wrote it's actually an Abarth 3000 Type A or (according to the wrong manufacturer's definition) an Abarth 2000.
There we have it.
(http://www.racehistorie.nl/rijders/Ed%20Swart%20-%20Abarth%202000_pag.jpg)
It is a Politoys Abart 2000 - correctly identified by the manufacturer, as you can see from above picture.
Actually not: if you look at the tail, you see that the 2000 has a different shape, with open ends. This was used by the 3000 only in the late 1969, but with a definitely different body (called the "Type B"). The 3000 "Type A" (that's the one of the scale model) still had the rear part completely close.
I think is a misunderstanding, because the same Politoys model in scale 1:43 is called the Abarth 3000.
However, OK, the model is badged "Abarth 2000".
(http://wok.altervista.org/immagini/auto/Abarth_2000.JPG)
This one is from the same company however in 1/25
Yes (nice model, btw) and this too is actually badged "Abarth 2000". Let's assume I'm wrong and did exist an Abarth 2000 with this kind of body. >:(
Is the 1:66 model an Abarth 2000 by Politoys or is something still missing?
Quote from: als15 on August 23, 2010, 09:07:44 AM
Yes (nice model, btw) and this too is actually badged "Abarth 2000". Let's assume I'm wrong and did exist an Abarth 2000 with this kind of body. >:(
Is the 1:66 model an Abarth 2000 by Politoys or is something still missing?
It is, I think at 13:48:18 I said that we have it.
So just remind me what was wrong in my reply #23?
Is the info I got from an authorititave website incorrect?
Quote from: Carnut on August 23, 2010, 10:59:17 AM
So just remind me what was wrong in my reply #23?
Is the info I got from an authorititave website incorrect?
Does Penny equal Politoys?
I think I already answered your question before. Anyway:
Penny Toys: Accurate casts in 1:66 scale with seperate rubber tires. Did F1 cars, trucks and passenger car. Made until about 1970
Politoys: Plastic wheels with casts that are not so accurate. Only racing cars. In 1:43 and in 1:60. Made from about between 1971 and 1975
So the picture I posted is not actually a Penny Politoys then?
Because it really is identical to the one you posted incl the wheels and the website I got it from described it as a Penny Politoys.
Hence I'm confused.
I didn't say Penny equals Politoys because I know it doesn't.
But according to the info I found the one I posted and the one you posted is a Penny Politoys! So that is incorrect?
I'll PM you the website if you like.
Also on the very website where als15 took the picture he has posted from the model is described as a '1970 Penny Politoys 1/66 Abarth 2000'...
Are they all wrong?!
More on this from another website!:
Maarten got certain things right and certain things wrong.
The base of the car, the box of the car all just mention one name: Politoys. You do not find Penny. On top of that, the references you mention are older and are not entirely up to date.
The name Penny on certain cars of the "newer" series, as per your picture, comes from the fact that certain cars have been reissued with less detail and plastic wheels.
As with many brands of toy and scale cars, it is not always as clear cut as we would like it to be. I can understand the confusion, but "Penny Politoys" on a sales site is just to attract buyers and is wrong. In 1:60ish scale you had - chronological - Penny series with rubber wheels and rather accurate casts, Politoys series, with plastic "speed wheels" and cruder casts, where certain Penny have been reissued with a less detailed cast and plastic speed wheels and then Polistil (RJ-series). Briefly, at around 2000, the name Polistil reappeared in this scale, but were in fact "RealToy"-cars with a different base. This last series, for example, is not mentioned in any of the resources online.
Once again: This particular toycar has a packaging and a base mentioning "Politoys" and the car is identified on both the box and the base of the car as "Abarth 2000". That is the answer I am sticking with.
OK, I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion as although a collector myself too I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about these models to really know the truth. And I know there is LOTS of misinformation on the Web; it's just that so many of them seem to have come up with the (wrong) story, which can be extremely misleading for amateurs like myself when trying to answer questions such as yours.
Quote from: Carnut on August 24, 2010, 06:32:48 AM
OK, I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion as although a collector myself too I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about these models to really know the truth. And I know there is LOTS of misinformation on the Web; it's just that so many of them seem to have come up with the (wrong) story, which can be extremely misleading for amateurs like myself when trying to answer questions such as yours.
You know probably that once something get's on the internet on something obscure that that source is quoted over and over again as being the right story. Let's go back to puzzling.
13 - Rover SD1 by Matchbox
Quote from: Joao Gois on October 16, 2010, 10:56:00 AM
13 - Rover SD1 by Matchbox
Rover SD1 is correct. But it's not Matchbox.
#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?
and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??
Quote from: Maxmotor on November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?
and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??
#11 is completely different to Hot Wheels and the depicted car is a completely different car. It's my own miniature.
#13 is correct.
Quote from: DeAutogids on November 02, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Maxmotor on November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?
and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??
#11 is completely different to Hot Wheels and the depicted car is a completely different car. It's my own miniature.
#13 is correct.
Wait a minute. I'm not sure what model #11 actually is, but these wheels are definitely a Hot Wheels design, and how can it be a Peugeot 405 coupé when there was never a 405 coupé (save for a styling 1:1 model and the Pikes Peak / Paris Dakar competition cars which look nothing like this)?
Ahem....
Toy companies often make models of cars that aren't actually built, or cars so obscure no one would ever see one. Matchbox made toy versions of the Siva Spyder, Pininfarina Austin 1800 and Austin Zanda! It makes sense that European companies would do the same thing with European one-offs and obscurities.
(edit: I've just seen it's listed as a 405 coupe, when of course it should be a 505 as below. This is a mistake on the actual model)
Quote from: Maxmotor on November 03, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: DeAutogids on November 02, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Maxmotor on November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?
and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??
#11 is completely different to Hot Wheels and the depicted car is a completely different car. It's my own miniature.
#13 is correct.
Wait a minute. I'm not sure what model #11 actually is, but these wheels are definitely a Hot Wheels design, and how can it be a Peugeot 405 coupé when there was never a 405 coupé (save for a styling 1:1 model and the Pikes Peak / Paris Dakar competition cars which look nothing like this)?
Sure is a Hot Wheels design, but that does not mean other companies did not use them. For example, though this is a bit of a bad one, Corgi used Hot Wheels-style wheels.
Quote from: barrett on November 03, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Ahem....
Toy companies often make models of cars that aren't actually built, or cars so obscure no one would ever see one. Matchbox made toy versions of the Siva Spyder, Pininfarina Austin 1800 and Austin Zanda! It makes sense that European companies would do the same thing with European one-offs and obscurities.
(edit: I've just seen it's listed as a 405 coupe, when of course it should be a 505 as below. This is a mistake on the actual model)
Me bad: I had it listed as a 5050 too, but Barrett still did manage to get it right second time 'round.
Oh I'm not at all questioning what Guisval labelled this car to be, which means it was correctly identified by Barrett.
I just think it's weird they should call it a 405, or even a 505 coupé as the real car's existence wasn't exactly public domain until recently (unless I am very much mistaken).
Which makes me wonder: how old is your model?
and what did they base the mould on? Guisval seems to be re-using old moulds of other manufacturers and maybe modify them, in this case I'd be curious to know what they started from.
But anyway, no fret over any of this, great puzzle I wish I'd come across sooner.
MM
Ah, there you are wrong. Guisval did many of their own cars, amongst which Seat Ibiza. The only other company to have done that in the "toy car" scale is Mira, another Spanish company.
Guisval did start out making copies though.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:dgqGr6e8rr34pM:http://blog-imgs-30-origin.fc2.com/d/i/e/diecast/DSCNB0157B.jpg&t=1)
This is a recent Guisval.
As for public domain: Many of these diecast companies did do cars in the past without proper licensing. In fact, that seems to be something of recent times.
I think it might be a good idea to move it one stage up. Still a lot to play for. Well points and eternal Autopuzzle fame and such
Quote from: DeAutogids on November 04, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
As for public domain: Many of these diecast companies did do cars in the past without proper licensing. In fact, that seems to be something of recent times.
No, by public domain I just mean that I don't remember if the 505 coupé prototype was ever shown in public before it was put on display at the Aventure Peugeot museum, maybe two years ago. But it looks like the model by Guisval is older than that.
No10 is a Laforza Magnum. I have to admit that I don't know a thing about scale models, but a little bit of research told me that a company, called DeAgostini produced a model of this off-roader.
Quote from: Maxmotor on November 04, 2010, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: DeAutogids on November 04, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
As for public domain: Many of these diecast companies did do cars in the past without proper licensing. In fact, that seems to be something of recent times.
No, by public domain I just mean that I don't remember if the 505 coupé prototype was ever shown in public before it was put on display at the Aventure Peugeot museum, maybe two years ago. But it looks like the model by Guisval is older than that.
It should come from the end of the eighties.
Quote from: pnegyesi on November 05, 2010, 01:13:00 AM
No10 is a Laforza Magnum. I have to admit that I don't know a thing about scale models, but a little bit of research told me that a company, called DeAgostini produced a model of this off-roader.
That might well be, but this is not a particularly good representation of what it actually should be. In any case: No Laforza and no DeAgostini.
Number #3 : 1899 Gobron-Brillie by R.A.M.I. :)
Quote from: João on November 08, 2010, 12:50:14 PM
Number #3 : 1899 Gobron-Brillie by R.A.M.I. :)
Very good! Considering it's missing a mud guard and the rear roof section...
Could the Range-Rover at #10 be by Realtoys?
#7 SEAT Ibiza MIRA
#9 Firebird GISIMA?
Quote from: barrett on November 30, 2010, 09:43:35 PM
Could the Range-Rover at #10 be by Realtoys?
This one is about 1:50th scale.
Quote from: hondast on December 01, 2010, 05:51:46 AM
#7 SEAT Ibiza MIRA
#9 Firebird GISIMA?
The miniature makes are correct, the cars are not.
I think #9 is a Chevy Corvette by Gisima
Quote from: barrett on August 18, 2011, 12:39:42 PM
I think #9 is a Chevy Corvette by Gisima
I forgot about this puzzle: Correct!
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6. Tomica's McLaren
14. tpf Holden 2001 HSV GTO Coupe made by Holden's HSV department (Holden Special Vehicles)
19. Honda Civic by Hotwheels
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Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 28, 2011, 03:21:25 PM
6. Tomica's McLaren
14. tpf Holden 2001 HSV GTO Coupe made by Holden's HSV department (Holden Special Vehicles)
19. Honda Civic by Hotwheels
6 is not far off.
14 is correct.
19 is incorrect, though not far off again.
5. Charbens, a British manufacturer that a number of classic cars made, including the Ford from 1907
6. Welly McLaren
10. Range Rover 1:50th (Made in China)
19. Onbekend Honda
I think I know the source of these answers. I'll give you a chance to correct 19.
Number 10 has a maker but not identified in the source. You can find it for sale though in Britain
The Google Translator didn't tell at that time that "Onbekend" means Unknown, shame on me >:(
I just have it as (19) Honda Civic
(10) It is written China (that's all I know)
Nice, but why would you need a translator for the source? It is translated to what 8 languages?
It was tagged as Onbekend in 3 differents pages. So I believed :bag:
Any case, Honda Civic is contested on certain sites, but I believe correct. Unknown is written on the source page, but it is made by a company starting with a W, the Range is made by a company starting with H
Welly? Honda Civic
Hot Wheels? Range
We have a winner... wellpartially.
The Range Rover is made in China but has a British name
Husky?
7 - Mira Opel Corsa
Another picture of the Mira Opel Corsa
Or Hongwell Cararama?
I've found this picture: Teamsters Fire & Rescue 4x4 Car
I'll settle for that, though Teamsterz is a series name from HTI
I've added the points.
18 is a Peugeot 205 by Guiloy
Indeed it is!
Does that mean this one is finally solved?! :o
Quote from: barrett on May 10, 2012, 09:43:22 AM
Does that mean this one is finally solved?! :o
I believe so