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[als15]

Ok, so #16 should be an Abarth 3000 by "Polistil Penny", that's the brand for small car models (about 1:60th).

[DeAutogids]

Is #16 a Penny Politoys Abarth 2000?

In my opinion - I am a collector - there is no Penny Politoys. Having said that, you kinda arrived. Your answer needs a small tweak.

Maybe you're looking for 'Abarth 2000GT Racer'?
It's 1/66 scale and I thought they were referred to officially as Penny Polistil?
Below is an extract from a website:


QUOTE
So where does the 'Penny' name come in? Like many 1:43 scale producers, Politsil observed the success of Matchbox sized cars in the 1960's. While 1:43 scale was the collector's scale, 1:64 scale diecast seemed to be the money-making scale. Mercury offered the 'Speedy' line, Dinky offfered 'Mini Dinky' models and Politoys introduced the 'Penny' line. As shown on the rare boxed Iso Rivolta and Motor-Boat above, the Penny name included a penny-like logo
UNQUOTE

Penny was made up to a certain year. They are defined by a high detail casting and rubber wheels. The miniature of the Abarth is made without these tyres.

[DeAutogids]

3 : Panhard-Levassor by Rami
18 : Peugeot 205 by Mira 

[DeAutogids]

Ok, so #16 should be an Abarth 3000 by "Polistil Penny", that's the brand for small car models (about 1:60th).

No it is not.

[als15]

Ok, so #16 should be an Abarth 3000 by "Polistil Penny", that's the brand for small car models (about 1:60th).

No it is not.

So some not-Italian later re-edition... because it actually looks like a Polistil Penny: see the picture of a model in its original box.

[DeAutogids]

The picture depicts everything this car is. You found the car, now find the complete answer.

[als15]

There is something I'm missing... 
About the car: the label says "Abarth 2000" even if the car is actually a 1969 Abarth 3000 "Type A". Perhaps a little mistake of the model maker, but I think this is not the point.

About the model brand we said:

- Politoys
- Polistil Penny
- Politoys Penny (which actually I think didn't exsist)

It only should remain "Polistil" (even if I only know a later 1:43 version branded Polistil, not the small one).
Or just "Penny".

[DeAutogids]

One of the "model brands" that you claim was said I believe has never been said.

Look carefully at the picture you provided and you will see the complete answer.

[Carnut]

Penny was made up to a certain year. They are defined by a high detail casting and rubber wheels. The miniature of the Abarth is made without these tyres.

So you're saying I'm wrong then?

The website I got my info from showed the following picture, which doesn't half look like your picture (also repeated at the bottom).
Apart from the racing number I can't actually tell any difference!

[DeAutogids]

Penny was made up to a certain year. They are defined by a high detail casting and rubber wheels. The miniature of the Abarth is made without these tyres.

So you're saying I'm wrong then?

The website I got my info from showed the following picture, which doesn't half look like your picture (also repeated at the bottom).
Apart from the racing number I can't actually tell any difference!

I am saying that you're not entirely right. In other words: yes.

Just go to the post where you see the car in the box. My tip: Write down everything it says on the box and you have a point. I can't make it easier then that.

[als15]

Ok. so it's a Politoys.
But, if so, it was my first answer... even if I told a wrong scale.

[DeAutogids]

Ok. so it's a Politoys.
But, if so, it was my first answer... even if I told a wrong scale.

Yes it is a Politoys, but your answer was still wrong, even allowing for the scale.

[als15]

I cannot understand what I'm still missing... 
If Politoys is the brand... is the car wrong ?
I wrote it's actually an Abarth 3000 Type A or (according to the wrong manufacturer's definition) an Abarth 2000.

[DeAutogids]

There we have it.


It is a Politoys Abart 2000 - correctly identified by the manufacturer, as you can see from above picture.

[als15]

Actually not: if you look at the tail, you see that the 2000 has a different shape, with open ends. This was used by the 3000 only in the late 1969, but with a definitely different body (called the "Type B"). The 3000 "Type A" (that's the one of the scale model) still had the rear part completely close.
I think is a misunderstanding, because the same Politoys model in scale 1:43 is called the Abarth 3000.
However, OK, the model is badged "Abarth 2000".

[DeAutogids]

This one is from the same company however in 1/25

[als15]

Yes (nice model, btw)  and this too is actually badged "Abarth 2000". Let's assume I'm wrong and did exist an Abarth 2000 with this kind of body. 

Is the 1:66 model an Abarth 2000 by Politoys or is something still missing?

[DeAutogids]

Yes (nice model, btw)  and this too is actually badged "Abarth 2000". Let's assume I'm wrong and did exist an Abarth 2000 with this kind of body. 

Is the 1:66 model an Abarth 2000 by Politoys or is something still missing?

It is, I think at 13:48:18 I said that we have it.

[Carnut]

So just remind me what was wrong in my reply #23?
Is the info I got from an authorititave website incorrect?

[DeAutogids]

So just remind me what was wrong in my reply #23?
Is the info I got from an authorititave website incorrect?

Does Penny equal Politoys?

I think I already answered your question before. Anyway:

Penny Toys: Accurate casts in 1:66 scale with seperate rubber tires. Did F1 cars, trucks and passenger car. Made until about 1970

Politoys: Plastic wheels with casts that are not so accurate. Only racing cars. In 1:43 and in 1:60. Made from about between 1971 and 1975

[Carnut]

So the picture I posted is not actually a Penny Politoys then?
Because it really is identical to the one you posted incl the wheels and the website I got it from described it as a Penny Politoys.
Hence I'm confused.
I didn't say Penny equals Politoys because I know it doesn't.
But according to the info I found the one I posted and the one  you posted is a Penny Politoys!  So that is incorrect?
I'll PM you the website if you like.

Also on the very website where als15 took the picture he has posted from the model is described as a '1970 Penny Politoys 1/66 Abarth 2000'...

Are they all wrong?!

[Carnut]

More on this from another website!:

[DeAutogids]

Are they all wrong?!

Yes.

[DeAutogids]

Maarten got certain things right and certain things wrong.

The base of the car, the box of the car all just mention one name: Politoys. You do not find Penny. On top of that, the references you mention are older and are not entirely up to date.

The name Penny on certain cars of the "newer" series, as per your picture, comes from the fact that certain cars have been reissued with less detail and plastic wheels.


As with many brands of toy and scale cars, it is not always as clear cut as we would like it to be. I can understand the confusion, but "Penny Politoys" on a sales site is just to attract buyers and is wrong. In 1:60ish scale you had - chronological - Penny series with rubber wheels and rather accurate casts, Politoys series, with plastic "speed wheels" and cruder casts, where certain Penny have been reissued with a less detailed cast and plastic speed wheels and then Polistil (RJ-series). Briefly, at around 2000, the name Polistil reappeared in this scale, but were in fact "RealToy"-cars with a different base. This last series, for example, is not mentioned in any of the resources online.



Once again: This particular toycar has a packaging and a base mentioning "Politoys" and the car is identified on both the box and the base of the car as "Abarth 2000". That is the answer I am sticking with.

[Carnut]

OK, I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion as although a collector myself too I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about these models to really know the truth.  And I know there is LOTS of misinformation on the Web; it's just that so many of them seem to have come up with the (wrong) story, which can be extremely misleading for amateurs like myself when trying to answer questions such as yours.