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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: 75america on June 07, 2013, 06:22:02 AM

Title: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Engineering
Post by: 75america on June 07, 2013, 06:22:02 AM
Whose patent is built and by which company?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on June 14, 2013, 05:23:14 PM
Is there an Expert who recognizes this one?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: ropat53 on June 18, 2013, 09:49:17 AM
Is it German, the radiator could be of a NAW?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on June 18, 2013, 12:40:20 PM
Not from Germany.
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: ropat53 on June 19, 2013, 01:47:24 PM
Is it French?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on June 19, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
It's not from France.
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: ropat53 on June 19, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
Belgium?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on June 19, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
 :shakehead:
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: ropat53 on June 19, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Italian, is this the prototype the Fiat SPA TL37 trattore leggero was to be based on?
The radiator looks T13 Bugatti, but the engine does not, Diatto?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on June 21, 2013, 02:09:34 PM
Not Italian.
But the engine came from a company that had it's roots in Italy (I don't think the engine itself came from Italy)...
And there does as well exist a drawing of an Italian car-rolling chassis which applies this patent...
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: ropat53 on June 24, 2013, 10:36:44 PM
Is it Miklós Straussler patent, manufactured by Manfred Weiss of Csepel, in Hungary?
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on June 25, 2013, 06:08:21 AM
Different patent.  Different maker.  Different country.
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on July 06, 2013, 06:22:10 AM
Pro's know.
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 06, 2013, 09:54:25 AM
This is the 1923 Holverter Car.  Designed by patent holder A.A. Holle of Belgium, and built by French's Motor Engineering Works in London.

Equipped with four-wheel independent suspension, four-wheel drive, and also four-wheel steering.  Steering can be set so the rear wheels are steered in either the opposite or the same direction as the front wheels.
Title: Re: ADG 74
Post by: 75america on July 07, 2013, 02:37:17 AM
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 06, 2013, 09:54:25 AM
This is the 1923 Holverter Car.  Designed by patent holder A.A. Holle of Belgium, and built by French's Motor Engineering Works in London.

Equipped with four-wheel independent suspension, four-wheel drive, and also four-wheel steering.  Steering can be set so the rear wheels are steered in either the opposite or the same direction as the front wheels.

Alexander Albert Holle came from Holland, not Belgium.  He lived in London.
Engine came from Anzani.

In the Alfa Romeo Archives, there is a drawing present that uses the same 'Chassis Holle' technique.  The drawing is signed 'A. Fedi, 18-3-1926'.  Strange is that the text on the drawing is in French, not Italian.

More of this patent can be found through Google Patents => N° 1476447

A well deserved point.


And can some editor please move this to the Solved section.  :bag:
Title: Re: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Enginee
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 07, 2013, 03:39:31 AM
Done
Title: Re: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Enginee
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 07, 2013, 09:59:10 AM
Would it be all right, if I posted a link to a video of Mr. Holle demonstrating another version of the car for the King of Spain?
Title: Re: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Enginee
Post by: qwaszx on July 07, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
PLEASE!
Title: Re: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Enginee
Post by: sixtee5cuda on July 07, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
(This was a fun puzzle.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeoBHhwSh9c

I think you can see the car steering all four wheels during the off-road trials.
Title: PN #975
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2016, 09:39:32 AM
Please ID the builder of this car for a point
Title: Re: PN #975
Post by: pnegyesi on December 18, 2016, 10:33:46 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: PN #975
Post by: richard cuyler on December 19, 2016, 06:50:19 AM
Is it a one-off?
Title: Re: PN #975
Post by: pnegyesi on December 19, 2016, 07:03:04 AM
yes and you can find plenty of info on this online
Title: Re: PN #975
Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2017, 01:33:12 PM
Professionals?
Title: Re: PN #975
Post by: ropat53 on January 01, 2017, 08:31:40 PM
1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Engineering
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2013-42/adg-74-solved-1923-holverter-car-patent-holder-a-a-holle-built-by-french's-motor/msg282762/#msg282762
Title: Re: PN #975
Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2017, 11:13:17 PM
oops, thanks for pointing this out
Title: Re: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Enginee
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 20, 2017, 05:18:33 PM
Could you post the unmodified pic?
Title: Re: ADG 74 - SOLVED- 1923 Holverter Car. Patent holder: A.A. Holle. Built by French's Motor Enginee
Post by: richard cuyler on March 21, 2017, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on July 07, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
(This was a fun puzzle.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeoBHhwSh9c

I think you can see the car steering all four wheels during the off-road trials.

This video is well worth watching. A very impressive machine, with what appears to be an exceptionally comfortable ride. It is lovely to see the person demonstrating the car so completely confident of his machine.  8) 8)

At the end, the chain-smoking Colonel Witheringfoot-Smythe seems to be saying, "Jolly good show, old man! The Army will take 50 of these, money no object, provided you can supply them this week."
;)