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Title: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza ) Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: SACO on January 25, 2013, 02:15:05 AM

What's this and where ?

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: SACO on February 02, 2013, 02:04:33 AM

Experts ?

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: targhediferro on February 02, 2013, 03:46:39 AM

Hands, typ D, 10-30cv 1922

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: SACO on February 02, 2013, 04:42:17 AM

Not Hands 1922 ! ???

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: targhediferro on February 02, 2013, 05:40:02 AM

Sorry, typing mistake...1912.

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: SACO on February 02, 2013, 06:57:40 AM

Yes , 1912 , but not Hands !

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: kwgibbs on February 02, 2013, 09:12:56 AM

Is this car british?

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: targhediferro on February 02, 2013, 11:09:25 AM

I couldn't believe and understand...I taped Hands instead of Hansa...that's the automatic corrector.

Title: Re: SAC#397
Post by: SACO on February 02, 2013, 11:17:41 AM

Yes ,Hansa 1912 ! :)
But which Hansa ?
Locked for you !

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: targhediferro on February 02, 2013, 11:58:18 AM

I guessed type D, 10-30 hp...

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: SACO on February 02, 2013, 02:30:41 PM

A little smaller ;
 but especially, the logo of the car is not Hansa ! :)

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: targhediferro on February 02, 2013, 03:40:12 PM

Is perhaps the 6-14 cv with logo HAG?

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: SACO on February 03, 2013, 02:17:58 AM

Not HAG !

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: vintman on February 03, 2013, 07:10:07 AM

Hi,  My records suggert this is a Hansa that was mage for the Russian market. It looks like the 6/18 Tenerplan but the logo in cyrillic suggests it is a Ganza. The 6/18 did not have the cyclops headlamp.  Regards  Vintman

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: SACO on February 03, 2013, 07:48:12 AM

Locked until 05:17:41 pm ! :o

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: targhediferro on February 03, 2013, 12:40:17 PM

I don't know cirillic, but I found this picture of the quiz car, reported as a Stanislav Kiriletz car.
I suppose the logo in the middle of the grill is simply the name Hansa as it's written in cirillic alphabeth, and probably it means this car has actually built for eastern market.
The car, if not a 6/14, may be a Typ B?

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: SACO on February 03, 2013, 01:08:01 PM

Yes ,1912 Hansa Telegram Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market !
But to whom to give the point ?

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: vintman on February 03, 2013, 01:30:48 PM

 Hi, Sorry, I did not realise the Lock was stil operational. The script does indeed read Ganza.  Vintman

Title: Re: SAC#397: locked
Post by: SACO on February 03, 2013, 02:28:35 PM

1 point for every ( vintman and targhediferro )  :)

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza )Telegram Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: targhediferro on February 03, 2013, 03:11:18 PM

Thank you.

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza )Telegram Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: Wendax on February 03, 2013, 04:04:03 PM

I think that the "Telegram" part of the name is wrong. The Hansa Telegramm was a tandem seater dual phaeton with middle steering, built by the coachbuilder Alexis Kellner from Berlin. It was exhibited at the 1911 car exhibition in Berlin.

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza )Telegram Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: SACO on February 04, 2013, 03:58:20 AM

 ;)

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza ) Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: dzima1985 on February 04, 2013, 09:19:29 AM

The car was presented at the Saint-Petersburg autosalon in 1913.
Bodied by Toenjes, designed by Ernst Neumann-Neander, additional headlight (Cyklopenauge) in the radiator - it is his idea.
Photo by Stanislav Kiriletz.

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza ) Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: Wendax on February 04, 2013, 09:27:16 AM

In comparison the Hansa Telegramm from 1911:

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza ) Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: vintman on February 05, 2013, 09:47:07 AM

Hi  Thanks for the point and thanks for the additional photos. I note in Georganos that; " Sevral sports models were made, in particular the B and F  (1796 and 2515) which had a pointed tail 2 seater or 4 seater bodies, oval radiators and sometimes a single cyclops eye headlamp in the middle."  Regards  Vintman

Title: Re: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza ) Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market
Post by: Wendax on October 23, 2013, 12:59:22 PM

Quote from: dzima1985 on February 04, 2013, 09:19:29 AM

The car was presented at the Saint-Petersburg autosalon in 1913.
Bodied by Toenjes, designed by Ernst Neumann-Neander, additional headlight (Cyklopenauge) in the radiator - it is his idea.
Photo by Stanislav Kiriletz.

The heading should be corrected to Hansa Typ G 12/36 PS from 1913.