Sorry for the bad photo !
What's this,where and when ,for 1 point ? :)
Experts !
Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Monza
In spite of appearances , it's not an Alfa !
Italian?
Yes !
Fiat 1100
Yes ,it's a Fiat !
Locked for you!
Guessing it was a Fiat seems to have been the easy part.
It is a 1100 racing in Italy?
Yes !
Unlocked
Pros !
Bit of a long shot - is this the 1940 Tobruk-Tripoli race ?
Not 1940 Tobruk-Tripoli race !
Quote from: SACO on August 17, 2013, 08:44:17 AM
Not 1940 Tobruk-Tripoli race !
I've just realised that a previous post mentioned that the race was in Italy. I must open my eyes a bit more.
I'm pretty sure it's not the Mille Miglia. Is it the Targa Florio ?
Is it Pulidori?
Why not Mille Miglia ?
Not a Pulidori !
Quote from: SACO on August 17, 2013, 10:31:24 AM
Why not Mille Miglia ?
Not a Pulidori !
That body style with streamlined wheel covers would have been late 30s onwards. I've checked the results of 1936, 37, 38 and 1940 (no race in '39) and nothing fits. Nor does 1947-49, and then the "numbers by starting time" system begins. Most of the events do not have a #44 (is this unlucky in Italy?). Sorry, I can't make it out.
So we're looking for one (or two?) Fiat 1100 sports-racing cars in the Mille Miglia - do you need the driver names ?
The photo comes from a movie about one year of Mille miglia, but the participations don't correspond with the movie
An other view of the movie :
From 1938 Mille Miglia: #30 is a Fiat 508CS Balilla Sport (with a Fiat L4 1100 cc engine), and driven by Quintavalla & S. Bardiani. It finished 33rd.
According to a certain reputable site, car #44 is a Fiat 1100 berlinetta. That car in the photo sure isn't a berlinetta. Was the film a documentary made during the running of the race, or a fictional account made using some of the runners and some other cars ? The car #44 was the problem for me when trying to solve the puzzle.
The name of the movie is " Mille Miglia Car Race Lner 1938 " ( British Pathé )
Well, for what it's worth, car #44 was a Fiat 1100MM berlinetta driven by Gilera/Giovanni. I have watched the British Pathe film and it does not name the cars in your puzzle. I reckon 4popoid deserves the point for identifying the actual event and one of the cars - I can only assume that the "certain site" that provides reasonably accurate records of these races was wrong on this one, regarding the other car.
Well ! :scratch:
Mille Miglia 1938 ?
#44: Fiat 1100 Zagato ?
#30: Alfa 6C 1750 rebodied ?
The British Pathe film is not a movie, in my opinion - I've watched it, and it is a news item. Because it is film shot of the actual race, I can't understand why the race numbers don't correspond with the cars in the puzzle picture. Could you give us any clues which might help me understand what you're looking for ?
Because ,if #44 is not a Fiat 1100MM Berlinetta Savio ; #30 is not a Fiat 508CS Ballila Sport !
I've watched the British Pathe film, I'm pretty sure it is not a movie, but it actually shows some parts of '38 Mille Miglia. I suppose #30 could be the 508S or CS of Quintavalla, and I have an idea about the strange definition of #44. It could be a spider (perhaps with Zagato body) realized on a 508CMM base ( a berlinetta), and, as often happened, it might have manteined the 508cMM documents. So, when that car entered in the MM list, it was registered as a 1100 berlinetta even if it was already a spider.
Quote from: targhediferro on September 02, 2013, 08:14:44 AM
I've watched the British Pathe film, I'm pretty sure it is not a movie, but it actually shows some parts of '38 Mille Miglia. I suppose #30 could be the 508S or CS of Quintavalla, and I have an idea about the strange definition of #44. It could be a spider (perhaps with Zagato body) realized on a 508CMM base ( a berlinetta), and, as often happened, it might have manteined the 508cMM documents. So, when that car entered in the MM list, it was registered as a 1100 berlinetta even if it was already a spider.
Good thinking.
OK !
1938 Mille Miglia: #30 Fiat 508CS Balilla Sport (with a Fiat L4 1100 cc engine), and driven by Quintavalla & S. Bardiani
and 1 point for 4popoid ! :)
Thanks SACO!
Just for the record, I watched both the Pathe film, and and a nearly identical one, in Italian, which bears the logo Luce. The latter I found at an Italian web site (URL on request via PM) which provides information on The Mille Miglia Museum, and includes what is purported to be actual film footage of historic Mille Miglia races. Stop action of the 1938 segment yields a photo which appears identical to the puzzle picture. The cars are not identified on the footage, as they are not on the Pathe footage.
My thought regarding the apparent discrepancy in #44, is like that posted by targhediferro. That is: #44 was likely entered as registered for its "as built" state, but had subsequently been re-bodied to become a spider.