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Title: Solved: Allemano's № 694 - Mercedes-Benz 230 (W21) Cabriolet D by Vereinigte Werkstätten Engelhard
Post by: Allemano on September 26, 2011, 11:34:06 AM
Easy?  ;)

Please respond below if you know the make and model designation of this car. Who built it?
One point for the right and complete answer!

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Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: veloce on September 26, 2011, 02:25:21 PM
 Mercedes. very similar Erdmann & Rossi design
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on September 26, 2011, 02:43:48 PM
very similar indeed, but not the same...
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on September 28, 2011, 03:09:05 AM
I forgot to mention that it surely is a Mercedes.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: veloce on September 28, 2011, 05:05:58 AM
it's 170 series (W136)?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on September 28, 2011, 05:12:25 AM
No
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: veloce on September 28, 2011, 05:17:17 AM
220 w187?
associated with the King of Iraq?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on September 28, 2011, 05:19:40 AM
Wrong model and not built for a monarch as far as I know. My source reveals nothing about the client.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 05, 2011, 05:41:07 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 05, 2011, 06:23:54 AM
Mercedes 1936 by Georges Paulin .
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 05, 2011, 06:29:41 AM
Quote from: SACO on October 05, 2011, 06:23:54 AM
Mercedes 1936 by Georges Paulin .
Not that.

And note: only complete answers will win!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 05, 2011, 06:44:27 AM
Mercedes 1936 Engelhard ,design by G . Paulin .
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 05, 2011, 06:51:48 AM
Correct, but I'm still waiting for the model designation, Monsieur!  ;)
I didn't know that it was designed by G. Paulin. Thanks for that extra-info! :)

Do you know the other name of Karosserie "Engelhard"?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 05, 2011, 07:02:43 AM
Locked for SACO until his next reply!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 05, 2011, 07:13:38 AM
Vereinigte Werkstatten (WORKSHOPS COMBINED ) ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 06, 2011, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: SACO on October 05, 2011, 07:13:38 AM
Vereinigte Werkstatten (WORKSHOPS COMBINED ) ?
Yes, but I still need the model designation.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 06, 2011, 11:40:19 AM
Mercedes 770 ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 06, 2011, 12:50:04 PM
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 06, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
Mercedes 500 ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 06, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
No. One more try before I open it again.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 06, 2011, 03:47:21 PM
Mercedes 540 ? ;)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 06, 2011, 03:50:02 PM
Sorry, it wasn't a 540 either.
So other Expert puzzlers are allowed to join in.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 06, 2011, 04:38:28 PM
Mercedes 290 ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 06, 2011, 05:25:40 PM
No
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: 72Must on October 06, 2011, 05:30:20 PM
320 ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: pguillem on October 06, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
540K ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: SACO on October 07, 2011, 01:33:18 AM
260 ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 07, 2011, 08:42:12 AM
Sorry I'm not at home. Please be a little patient I'll check it soon.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 09, 2011, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: 72Must on October 06, 2011, 05:30:20 PM
320 ?
No
Quote from: pguillem on October 06, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
540K ?
No
Quote from: SACO on October 07, 2011, 01:33:18 AM
260 ?
No
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: 72Must on October 09, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
200 / 230  w21 ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Joao Gois on October 09, 2011, 08:22:06 PM
770?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 10, 2011, 02:45:30 AM
Quote from: 72Must on October 09, 2011, 04:14:29 PM
200 / 230  w21 ?
That's the one!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 694
Post by: Allemano on October 10, 2011, 11:13:58 AM
This car is a Mercedes-Benz 230 (W21) Cabriolet D from 1936/37 by Karosserie Vereinigte Werkstätten, Munich, modelled on a Erdmann Rossi design.

One point for SACO one for 72Must.
Title: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: grobmotorix on November 03, 2013, 12:51:52 PM
Who knows this car / correct coachbuilding company?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: exekiel on November 04, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
a MB 320 sodomka
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 04, 2013, 02:39:29 PM
Not Sodomka...
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: Laurent on November 07, 2013, 05:49:32 PM
A Mercedes Benz 320 by Erdmann & Rossi
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 07, 2013, 06:02:35 PM
Not Erdmann & Rossi.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: exekiel on November 08, 2013, 07:09:39 AM
Franay
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 08, 2013, 07:32:52 AM
No.

HINT:

The company was german.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 12, 2013, 01:21:42 PM
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Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: mekubb on November 12, 2013, 04:23:53 PM
Gläser or less known ?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: kwgibbs on November 12, 2013, 05:59:23 PM
maybach?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 12, 2013, 06:00:36 PM
It is still a Mercedes.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: mekubb on November 12, 2013, 07:08:02 PM
Quote from: mekubb on November 12, 2013, 04:23:53 PM
Gläser or less known ?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 13, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
Less known...  ;)
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: Bill Murray on November 13, 2013, 04:09:39 PM
The angle of the radiator grille seems rather vertical.  Is it possible that this is a post war Benz, perhaps by Spohn or some such.

Bill
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 13, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
Not Spohn, and definitly pre-war.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: kwgibbs on November 15, 2013, 02:53:15 PM
neuss?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 15, 2013, 03:16:27 PM
More obscure... ;)
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: kwgibbs on November 15, 2013, 03:24:18 PM
could it be papler?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 15, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
No.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: kwgibbs on November 15, 2013, 04:43:28 PM
Im not that familiar with german coachbuilder,s,but I,ll try hebmuller?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 15, 2013, 09:20:19 PM
Good guess, but no, sorry.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: dracu777 on November 18, 2013, 05:31:38 PM
Hebmüller?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 18, 2013, 05:41:48 PM
That was the last guess already - no again.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: mekubb on November 18, 2013, 06:41:14 PM
Auer ?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 19, 2013, 01:29:36 AM
No.
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: mekubb on November 19, 2013, 04:08:03 AM
Buhne ?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: dracu777 on November 19, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
Is it done by Engelhard?
Title: Re: grob 2013.11.03 (01)
Post by: grobmotorix on November 19, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Bam!

Very good, dracu777!
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: Wendax on November 19, 2013, 02:14:19 PM
The coachbuilder Engelhard was also known as Vereinigte Werkstätten.

It could have been done on a Mercedes-Benz 290 chassis, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: pguillem on November 19, 2013, 03:30:22 PM
I found that it was designed by George Poulin.
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: Bill Murray on November 19, 2013, 04:18:01 PM
Congratulations to dracu777 :applause: :applause:

I put in hours on this puzzle and came up with absolutely nothing but looking at maybe 200 photos of the 1935 540K convertible coupe by Erdmann & Rossi that is an almost exact duplicate of this 4 door cabriolet.

I never even thought of Englehard but once dracu777 mentioned the name I did further research.  One usually reliable source indicates it is on the 230 chassis and dates from 1937.  I will do some further research, but in the meantime, does anyone know for whom this puzzle car was built.  The convertible coupe was commissioned by Daimler Benz for the King of Iraq.

Bill
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: pguillem on November 19, 2013, 11:06:51 PM
Quote from: Wendax on November 19, 2013, 02:14:19 PM
The coachbuilder Engelhard was also known as Vereinigte Werkstätten.

It could have been done on a Mercedes-Benz 290 chassis, but I'm not sure.

The source where I found it semms to have disappeared.  It described this car as a Mercedes-Benz 230 Cabriolet D W21 from 1936.
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: grobmotorix on November 20, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
Thank you for your additional contributions!

It would be nice, if we´d find out, what chassis it really was.
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: Wendax on August 22, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
A private picture (sorry for the "artwork"):
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: grobmotorix on August 22, 2016, 01:03:05 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Karosserie Engelhard (Munich) built body on a 1936 Mercedes chassis
Post by: Wendax on December 14, 2022, 04:27:45 PM
Without the freaky glitter:  8)