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Title: Solved: Allemano's № 875 - 1928 Vernandi V8 (different type?)
Post by: Allemano on April 22, 2013, 04:17:08 AM
What's that?

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Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 04, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
to the next level.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 04, 2013, 06:43:44 PM
Offset single-seater. British ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 05, 2013, 03:19:17 AM
Offset single-seater. British ?
No not British.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 05, 2013, 05:38:42 AM
Front wheel drive ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 05, 2013, 05:52:37 AM
Unfortunately my source reveals nothing about the drivetrain, so I'd rather say not FWD.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 05, 2013, 06:06:25 AM
OK. German ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 05, 2013, 06:15:50 AM
OK. German ?
Not this time!  ;D
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 05, 2013, 06:30:10 AM
French ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: targhediferro on May 05, 2013, 09:55:23 AM
Alfa Romeo 8c 35?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 05, 2013, 11:54:51 AM
French ?
French it is!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 05, 2013, 01:18:04 PM
It's a new one to me. Amilcar ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 05, 2013, 01:20:17 PM
It's a new one to me. Amilcar ?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 05, 2013, 01:38:49 PM
It seems to be voiturette-sized. Corre La Licorne ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 05, 2013, 01:52:54 PM
No.
I think it's not that small. It's most 'known' for its unusual, but apparently not competitive engine.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 05, 2013, 03:44:52 PM
I've had to really think about this one - I can't find an image but I have a feeling that it's the Cozette. If it is, it's a 1100cc 4-cylinder 2-stroke, 8 pistons on 2 crankshafts vertically-opposed. Built in 1927 and entered in the 1928 French GP - it broke (presumably class) records at Montlhery and then Rene Cozette was killed in it. But I could be wrong.......
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 06, 2013, 02:19:34 AM
The year is almost right everything else isn't. (not Cozette)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 06, 2013, 07:40:53 AM
Is it the 1929 Alphi, with supercharged CIME engine ? Entered for the 1929 French GP but did not arrive and I believe never raced. The existence of photos again frustrates me.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 06, 2013, 08:54:09 AM
Is it the 1929 Alphi, with supercharged CIME engine ? Entered for the 1929 French GP but did not arrive and I believe never raced. The existence of photos again frustrates me.
Not that either.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: mekubb on May 06, 2013, 06:09:04 PM
Ballot ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 07, 2013, 12:29:08 AM
Ballot ?
:shakehead:
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 07, 2013, 07:02:30 AM
It's French, so it's likely that it was entered to start with in a French race. I was near with the dates 1927/28, and the cowled radiator suggests slightly later, so I'll guess 1929. I've gone though all the entry lists for GPs that year, and can't come up with much.

It looks a little bit like an Omega Six. Is it ?

Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 07, 2013, 12:28:14 PM
It looks a little bit like an Omega Six. Is it ?

My source also mentions that Omega-Six resemblance.
However, it's a different car.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 07, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
I'm drowning.  ???

Was this a maker of production cars ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 07, 2013, 03:17:55 PM
No. A very short lived marque. It existed for only two years.

The author of my book couldn't find any proof that cars of this company ever raced. The type of engine was already out of date at the end of the twenties...
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 07, 2013, 03:22:02 PM
Sleeve valve ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 07, 2013, 03:30:57 PM
Sleeve valve ?
I don't know that.
It referred to the position of the camshaft..
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 08, 2013, 05:41:18 AM
I really ought to leave this one to others, but I can't let go, like a dog with a stick !

Is it the weird Montier of 1932 - it had two Ford Model-A engines inline in a chassis from 1927 (!) ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 08, 2013, 12:09:50 PM
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 09, 2013, 07:13:34 AM
Donnet ?  ???
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 09, 2013, 08:01:51 AM
Donnet ?  ???
Not Donnet either.

I'll promote this to Pro's soon. I'm guessing there will be someone who know it.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 12, 2013, 08:10:10 AM
Pro's?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: nicanary on May 12, 2013, 08:21:11 AM
I reckon "Our man in Antibes" will get this one. As soon as it's solved I'll say "Ohhh, of course it is...."
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Wendax on May 12, 2013, 09:13:49 AM
Is it the 1929 Majestic, an eight-cylinder car built by the engineers Gadoux (formerly at Oméga-Six) and Delong?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 12, 2013, 10:56:43 AM
Is it the 1929 Majestic, an eight-cylinder car built by the engineers Gadoux (formerly at Oméga-Six) and Delong?
Not that according to my source.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 13, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
That's a Vernandi V8 from 1928
Title: Re: Allemano's № 875
Post by: Allemano on May 13, 2013, 12:58:57 PM
That's a Vernandi V8 from 1928
Yes. We had it before, but with a different design: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=2899.0

Somebody knows the exact story of both cars? Who was first?
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 875 - 1928 Vernandi V8 (different type?)
Post by: Wendax on May 13, 2013, 01:58:25 PM
The formerly puzzled Vernandi was presented at the Paris salon in 1928. It should be the first version. I think the actual puzzle car is the same one with a modified nose.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 875 - 1928 Vernandi V8 (different type?)
Post by: Allemano on May 13, 2013, 02:08:37 PM
Yes, that's possible. The streamlined nose fits the 'old' shape very well.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 875 - 1928 Vernandi V8 (different type?)
Post by: nicanary on May 14, 2013, 05:17:53 AM
Whilst investigating this puzzle I reckon I covered every obscure French racing marque of the period 1928/30. This car is not mentioned in any of my reference books, although now I know the answer it is covered in Georgano's Encyclopedia of the Automobile. He does not mention it in his Motor Sport Encyclopedia.

So I've learned something ! Apparently the advertising for the car listed numerous sporting successes, but I reckon they were "hyped up" and it was a bit of a dud. There seem to be a lot of DNA and DNS listed in the racing calendar.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 875 - 1928 Vernandi V8 (different type?)
Post by: Wendax on May 14, 2013, 05:27:49 AM
It is pictured in Bellu's 1979/1929 edition of Toutes les voitures francaises (Automobilia 84s) in its initial guise.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 875 - 1928 Vernandi V8 (different type?)
Post by: Allemano on May 14, 2013, 11:51:57 AM
It is featured though not pictured in Erwin Tragatsch's fantastic book "Das große Sport- und Rennwagen Buch" by Hallwag 1968.