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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: Djetset on December 01, 2012, 07:06:15 AM

Title: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon design office, 1958
Post by: Djetset on December 01, 2012, 07:06:15 AM
What is this a design proposal for, in what year, and who drew it?
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 10, 2012, 03:14:49 PM
is this richard arbib,s work ?
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Post by: Djetset on December 15, 2012, 07:47:27 AM
No, not a Richard Arbib work.
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Post by: Djetset on December 16, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
Keep on movin'...
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 21, 2012, 11:39:08 PM
is this american ?
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Post by: Djetset on December 22, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
Not American.
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 22, 2012, 11:44:16 AM
citroen  based?         
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Post by: Djetset on December 22, 2012, 11:46:48 AM
No Citroen connections.
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 22, 2012, 11:50:56 AM
british?
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Post by: Djetset on December 30, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
Yes sir, it is British!
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 02, 2013, 11:22:14 PM
is it a concept car?
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Post by: wingroad on January 03, 2013, 02:37:29 PM
Austin ?
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Post by: max on January 04, 2013, 03:35:39 PM
Bristol?
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Post by: Djetset on January 07, 2013, 03:05:51 PM
Neither an Austin nor a Bristol, and not a concept car either, but rather a design proposal for a potential future model.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 07, 2013, 03:36:55 PM
could this be a station wagen-type proposal for bentley?
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Post by: Djetset on January 08, 2013, 04:31:54 AM
No Bentley connection.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 17, 2013, 11:35:56 AM
new alvis, future proposal?
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Post by: Djetset on January 17, 2013, 03:36:23 PM
Not an Alvis.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 17, 2013, 03:55:50 PM
Is it a well known car co., that the proposal is for?
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Post by: Djetset on January 17, 2013, 04:06:01 PM
Yes, a very well-known British car company.
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Post by: mekubb on January 17, 2013, 04:07:35 PM
Rover ?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 17, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
Rollsroyce?
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Post by: targhediferro on January 17, 2013, 06:54:36 PM
Jaguar E new style?
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Post by: Djetset on January 18, 2013, 04:52:52 AM
Neither a Rover, Rolls-Royce nor a Jaguar.
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Post by: thorax on January 18, 2013, 09:47:18 AM
Triumph?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 18, 2013, 09:52:37 AM
Sunbeam?
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Post by: Djetset on January 18, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
Not Triumph nor Sunbeam.
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Post by: WayneB on January 18, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Looks like a Jensen-Eric Neale drawing.
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Post by: Djetset on January 18, 2013, 12:24:10 PM
Not quite the name I have, but getting closer  ;)  Keep on trying.
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Post by: WayneB on January 18, 2013, 02:58:12 PM
It also could be a Michelotti drawing looking at it again.
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Post by: Djetset on January 18, 2013, 03:00:20 PM
Sorry, not a Michelotti project.
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Post by: WayneB on January 18, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
Vignale?
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Post by: Djetset on January 18, 2013, 05:56:07 PM
Not Vignale.
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Post by: WayneB on January 18, 2013, 07:11:35 PM
Ghia?
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Post by: Djetset on January 19, 2013, 07:51:08 AM
Not Ghia.
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Post by: WayneB on January 20, 2013, 03:51:25 PM
If its not a Jensen it could be a Bristol.
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Post by: Djetset on January 21, 2013, 01:58:21 PM
Not a Bristol.
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Post by: WayneB on January 21, 2013, 06:36:16 PM
Aston-Martin
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Post by: Djetset on January 22, 2013, 04:31:07 AM
Not Aston Martin.
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Post by: Zerk on January 23, 2013, 06:00:53 PM
Daimler ???
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Post by: Djetset on January 23, 2013, 06:15:47 PM
Not Daimler!
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Post by: WayneB on January 23, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
Ford Consul Mk1, 1950?
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Post by: Djetset on January 29, 2013, 02:38:46 PM
Not a Ford!
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Post by: WayneB on January 29, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
AC ?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 29, 2013, 04:22:45 PM
Lanchester?
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Post by: Djetset on January 29, 2013, 04:53:30 PM
Not an AC nor a Lanchester.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 31, 2013, 04:18:33 PM
Could this be a mini-based proposal for a large car, for a change?
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Post by: Djetset on January 31, 2013, 05:06:17 PM
Sorry, but not Mini-based.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 31, 2013, 05:30:04 PM
Bond?
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Post by: Djetset on January 31, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
As in 007?  ;D  Sadly, not a Bond.
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Post by: WayneB on January 31, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
Reliant?
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Post by: Djetset on January 31, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
Not Reliant.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 31, 2013, 05:54:09 PM
Argyll?
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Post by: WayneB on January 31, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
Gordon-Keeble?
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Post by: Djetset on January 31, 2013, 06:04:12 PM
Not an Argyll, nor a Gordon-Keeble.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on January 31, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
Jensen
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Post by: Djetset on January 31, 2013, 06:10:29 PM
Not a Jensen.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on January 31, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
Damiler?
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Post by: Djetset on January 31, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
Not a Daimler.
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 31, 2013, 06:45:14 PM
Ascari?
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Post by: WayneB on February 01, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
Is the intended manufacturer still in business today?
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Post by: Zerk on February 01, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
Was this for AC?
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Post by: WayneB on February 01, 2013, 05:36:55 PM
Quote from: Djetset on January 29, 2013, 04:53:30 PM
Not an AC nor a Lanchester.
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Post by: Zerk on February 02, 2013, 02:58:29 PM
Ah, thanks.

Could it be a proposal for an Allard?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 07:51:53 AM
Yes, the intended manufacturer is still around today, but it is not Allard nor Ascari.
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 08:05:09 AM
Vauxhall ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 08:09:18 AM
Not Vauxhall.
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 08:11:37 AM
Lea-Francis ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 08:12:26 AM
No Lea-Francis.
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 08:28:14 AM
Not many left.... Lotus ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 08:28:45 AM
Agreed, not many left, but not Lotus!
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 10:40:26 AM
Well... Invicta ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 10:59:58 AM
Not Invicta.
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 12:00:22 PM
Ginetta ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
Not Ginetta!
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
Pffff.... TVR ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 01:10:39 PM
We're really running out of options now!  Not TVR, as sadly no longer with us as a car maker (but now good at building wind turbine blades! :-\).
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 02:08:38 PM
Morgan ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 02:10:06 PM
Not Morgan  :-\
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Post by: mekubb on February 05, 2013, 02:11:29 PM
I realise MG haven't been mentioned yet, so MG ?
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Post by: Djetset on February 05, 2013, 02:15:43 PM
Ah ha, at last!  Yes, it is MG!  So, now to answer the original question in full, what is this a proposal for, when was it sketched, and so on.  Locked to you mekubb for your perserverance until your next reply.
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Post by: mekubb on February 06, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
I have absolutely no idea for which MG the proposal was meant for.... couldn't find any info.
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Post by: WayneB on February 06, 2013, 06:25:32 PM
I found it was an MGB 2+2 proposal drawn at the end of 1956 by Pete Neal

He based his design sketch on an earlier one done by Syd Enever

Oddly the drawing has MGC on the Licence plate and on the side of the car, but apparently it was an MGB proposal.

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Post by: Djetset on February 11, 2013, 02:29:27 PM
Very well done Wayne B, you got there in the end with a comprehensive answer.

This is the MGB 2+2 (badged MGC) proposal by Syd Enever and Peter Neal, drawn in the MG Abingdon design office in 1958 (not '56), according to my records.  A well-deserved point to you.
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: WayneB on February 11, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
This is the article I got the info from.

<<< link removed >>>

It was written by Pete Neal himself and indicates that the drawings were started in late 1956.

He comments on the MGC 58 license plate on the car in the drawing  saying no credence is to be placed in it!
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 12, 2013, 04:33:54 AM
WayneB:

Posting links in the puzzle threads is against the rules - please read:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=20153.0

This is your first warning.
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2013, 02:02:07 PM
Sorry, I know nothing about this design, and neither I'm an expert of MG history, but I feel strange that in 1958 someone could have the idea of a 2+2 based on MG B, as this car has been produced only since 1962. Could you explain me how it has happened?
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: Hiawatha on February 12, 2013, 02:22:00 PM
I had the same feelings myself, but having found the original article I understand  now that's a very early proposal for what would have been the future (and very different) MGB.
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2013, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: targhediferro on February 12, 2013, 02:02:07 PM
Sorry, I know nothing about this design, and neither I'm an expert of MG history, but I feel strange that in 1958 someone could have the idea of a 2+2 based on MG B, as this car has been produced only since 1962. Could you explain me how it has happened?

The gestation period for cars in those pre-computer days was an awful lot longer than it is today.
It could easily take 4 years from conception to production by the time they'd finished trying to get it right...
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: WayneB on February 12, 2013, 05:14:19 PM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on February 12, 2013, 04:33:54 AM
WayneB:

Posting links in the puzzle threads is against the rules - please read:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=20153.0

This is your first warning.

I had no idea it was not allowed after the puzzle had been solved.

Very Sorry it wont happen again.
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #621 - MGB 2+2 proposal (badged MGC) by Syd Enever/Peter Neal, MG Abingdon desig
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 13, 2013, 03:07:34 AM
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