What's this, from where - for 1 point?:
ANYONE FOUND GIVING ANSWERS GLEANED BY USING GOOGLE SEARCH BY IMAGE MAY BE BANNED FOR AN INDETERMINATE PERIOD!
Experts?
Farus?
From Japan?
European car?
Time to see what the Pro's know.
Here's a front view if it helps.
Note the prefessionalism of the photography, with that picturesque backdrop!
Spanish?
From Southern Europe at all?
Russian part of Europe?
I guess it's home-made?
Quote from: ImpishGrin on October 29, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
I guess it's home-made?
Yes it is!
One of the better ones by the looks of it..
I don't know who built it, but I know its name and where it's from, so that's what I need.
Built in Volgodonsk (Волгодонск), Russia in 1994
Engine VAZ-2106.
You've found the car.
But what is it called?
Locked for you for 24 hours to see if you can find its name.
I don't know the name of this car. Maybe, this is a Scorpion (Скорпион) - I judge by the emblem.
My images dates from 2008-2011 from Rostov-na-Donu (Ростов-на-Дону) by Aleksey Yava (Алексей Ява). He was buying this car after the death of the author in Volgodonsk.
Quote from: dzima1985 on November 02, 2012, 12:17:29 PM
I don't know the name of this car. Maybe, this is a Scorpion (Скорпион) - I judge by the emblem.
My images dates from 2008-2011 from Rostov-na-Donu (Ростов-на-Дону) by Aleksey Yava (Алексей Ява). He was buying this car after the death of the author in Volgodonsk.
Yes, it's currently registered to an owner in Rostov, but it's not called a Scorpion.
Its name is very clearly readable in the my photos! I'll accept it in Cyrillic or an English translation!
I know it's not written in our rules, but I don't think that posting this car in a different forum and ask there for ID to get the point here matches with the spirit of this place.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
I know it's not written in our rules, but I don't think that posting this car in a different forum and ask there for ID to get the point here matches with the spirit of this place.
Quite so - well spotted PJ!
Perhaps whoever it was would kindly remove their questions..?
Playing devil's advocate here: How is asking for help on a forum fundamentally different than asking one's friends?
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on November 09, 2012, 05:46:55 AM
Playing devil's advocate here: How is asking for help on a forum fundamentally different than asking one's friends?
I see a difference: the spirit that moves you.
Many times I remember some hard nuts have been proposed to other forums to see what they knew about...we sometimes receive such requests from others...but in each case nobody knows the asnwer and we look for mutual help.
In our case, the Puzzler knows the answer.
I'm not looking to start an argument. When challenged by a puzzle, one goes to those sources that may know. Those sources may be one's own hard drive and internet bookmarks, they could be real books and magazines that one owns, or reviews in a library.
I understand you point. Should we amend the rules, to prohibit the posting of current puzzles to other sites?
I don't think so as it would be hard to police. I haven't seen it happen many times and whilst I think it's a bit of a cop-out and defeats the object by not having the fun searching for the answer at least it's better than Google Search by Image...!
No need to argue, of course.
If I'm looking for a car I search the net, my books, my HD and I ask for clues.
What's the point in posting the same pic in a different forum and ask for help there? Once you have the solution, you came here and write it down. Where's the fun?
But it was just my opinion, there's no need for a rule in this case: who did it is a member who already proved to be a real enthusiast and not looking for a shortcut.
It will be much worse if a new member will start to use this "trick" to solve easy rookie puzzles, don't you think?
In my book it should within the gentlemen's agreement that one has to solve a puzzle alone and without help from others.*
Think it's quite different if you found an unknown car and ask for help somewhere to post it later here as a future puzzle.
* I would never ask somebody else...even not my father. He's got no clue
:D
I don't personally know anyone that would know 99% of the puzzle cars posted here, so there would be no point in asking them.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2012, 07:56:46 AM
It will be much worse if a new member will start to use this "trick" to solve easy rookie puzzles, don't you think?
Yes, I agree
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on November 09, 2012, 08:28:08 AM
:D
I don't personally know anyone that would know 99% of the puzzle cars posted here, so there would be no point in asking them.
Actually knowing them and searching and finding them are two entirely different things!
I hardly know any (although I did think I was a bit of a car buff when I joined!) but plenty of them are found on the internet with a bit/lot of searching..
Quote from: Allemano on November 09, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
In my book it should within the gentlemen's agreement that one has to solve a puzzle alone and without help from others.*
Think it's quite different if you found an unknown car and ask for help somewhere to post it later here as a future puzzle.
* I would never ask somebody else...even not my father. He's got no clue
I can think of some scenarios where the concept of
alone might be "violated" yet in total innocence and without any intent of cheating. Consider this as an example: A friend comes to visit and sees the puzzle car on my computer monitor. He says, "I know that car...it's a 1924 Rolls-Canardly." Or he might say, "Yanno, I saw that car on a website last nite. I think we could find it again because I was searching for a 1982 Carpmobile (credit/apologies to Otto) and if we look here at this site...." The friend might also say, "I saw that car in one of my books. I'll call you when I get home and tell you what I find."
Another situation might be to ask a friend if he remembers a certain car at a certain location/event (race/LSR cars could easily fall into this situation)...like "Do you remember a car that ran at Bonneville around 1970 with turbine power?" Is this any different from googling "Bonneville turbine" or something like that?
Taking the idea to the point of reductio ad absurdum, one might say that using one's own collection of printed or digital material would cross the "alone" boundary and THAT would completely prevent me from playing/competing, since, as I've written before, I have post-perfusion syndrome: in other words, memory damage from a bungled coronary bypass surgery. This and the fear of Alzheimer's Disease is one reason that I find AP so enjoyable, since it keeps my mind running at more than idle speed (or comatose, if I were to spend my days watching the idiot box.) I hope that a constant "workout regimen" will keep some of the brain cells alive and functioning.
Anyway, aside from "Google Search by image", I don't see other methods of solving puzzles as a bad thing.
Just my nickel's (tuppence, franc, pfennig or whatever) worth
RtR
I so understand, that all discussion began because of me.
Yes, I ,without having thought, published photos of this car at Russian forum.
I so think that it was wrong, though on many Russian (French, German, Italian...) forums there are photos or information on cars earlier solved here.
On Autopuzzles - 1150 members are registered, but game is conducted by 50, 70, 100(?) people, the others probably use AP as a way to participate at other automobile forums.
I already removed those photos and I think , perhaps, that it is necessary to impose a ban on similar inquiries.
Thanks and thanks for your two penn'orth as well Ray.
We don't want to be the Gestapo so on the whole most ways of finding the answer are OK.
Just want it all to be fair and fun and we certainly don't want to get bogged down in a plethora of impossible-to-enforce rules!
Quote from: RayTheRat on November 09, 2012, 10:33:25 AM
I can think of some scenarios where the concept of alone might be "violated" yet in total innocence and without any intent of cheating. Consider this as an example: A friend comes to visit and sees the puzzle car on my computer monitor. He says, "I know that car...it's a 1924 Rolls-Canardly." Or he might say, "Yanno, I saw that car on a website last nite. I think we could find it again because I was searching for a 1982 Carpmobile (credit/apologies to Otto) and if we look here at this site...." The friend might also say, "I saw that car in one of my books. I'll call you when I get home and tell you what I find."
Another situation might be to ask a friend if he remembers a certain car at a certain location/event (race/LSR cars could easily fall into this situation)...like "Do you remember a car that ran at Bonneville around 1970 with turbine power?" Is this any different from googling "Bonneville turbine" or something like that?
Taking the idea to the point of reductio ad absurdum, one might say that using one's own collection of printed or digital material would cross the "alone" boundary and THAT would completely prevent me from playing/competing, since, as I've written before, I have post-perfusion syndrome: in other words, memory damage from a bungled coronary bypass surgery. This and the fear of Alzheimer's Disease is one reason that I find AP so enjoyable, since it keeps my mind running at more than idle speed (or comatose, if I were to spend my days watching the idiot box.) I hope that a constant "workout regimen" will keep some of the brain cells alive and functioning.
Anyway, aside from "Google Search by image", I don't see other methods of solving puzzles as a bad thing.
Just my nickel's (tuppence, franc, pfennig or whatever) worth
RtR
Of course you can imagine any scenario which contradicts my ideas, but I guess you know what I meant. ;)
BTW: what does 'my collection' mean? It's not more than a vast amount of snatched up photos taken by someone else or (illegally) scanned and after that euphemistically called 'my collection'. :D
I guess not more than 1% of the pics posted here are taken with one's own camera.*
* Maybe it's more than that. I do not scan anymore. It ruins the books..
Heading for the Black Hole?
Down we go..
Maybe it is called a "Triumph" ("Триумф")?
Does Yava call it "TCP" (ПТС)?
Quote from: dzima1985 on April 09, 2013, 08:42:32 AM
Maybe it is called a "Triumph" ("Триумф")?
Were built only 2 cars in Volgodonsk. One is now in Rostov (I wrote about this earlier), the fate of another is unknown.
Quote from: dzima1985 on April 09, 2013, 08:42:32 AM
Maybe it is called a "Triumph" ("Триумф")?
That's correct (well almost - it's Triumph 2 actually) so 2 points for solving a Black Hole puzzle.
Here's the original picture:
Quote from: dzima1985 on November 02, 2012, 08:04:44 AM
Built in Volgodonsk (Волгодонск), Russia in 1994
Engine VAZ-2106.
can you post an unedited photo of this one?
thanks a lot
The picture in my last reply #39, is the unedited version of the puzzle photo.
I don't have any others, sorry.
Quote from: Carnut on August 13, 2021, 04:56:26 AM
The picture in my last reply #39, is the unedited version of the puzzle photo.
I don't have any others, sorry.
l mean , #7 or #15
they are edited obviously...
I don't have any photos any more I'm afraid.
You might find them on the Internet...