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Title: Solved -PJ539- Cisitalia D98 Formula FIRE 1998
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 06, 2013, 12:48:55 PM
What is this?
1 point for you!
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Post by: richard cuyler on August 11, 2013, 08:15:20 AM
My wife just popped in with a cuppa. I asked her what she thinks it is and she said "probably the World's fastest coal shovel - are you wasting your time on that puzzle thing again? You did promise to mow the lawn."  I reminded her of her pointless computer searches for handbags and shoes and she left in a huff. The tea's nice and hot, though I suspect it may now be chillier elsewhere in the house.  :D
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 11, 2013, 08:47:03 AM
 ;D
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Post by: moltogatto on August 11, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Italy's Formula Junior/Monza?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 11, 2013, 03:30:42 PM
Italy's Formula Junior/Monza?
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Post by: moltogatto on August 13, 2013, 03:39:44 AM
Formula Panda? :)
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 13, 2013, 06:30:43 AM
Not that.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 17, 2013, 05:48:35 PM
...shall I move it?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 21, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
I'm sure you are not paying attention to this one.... ;)
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 23, 2013, 09:12:53 AM
Last call for Experts.
I'll move it soon...
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 25, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
I give you 3 minutes, Pros!  ;D
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Post by: nicanary on August 25, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
Formula Italia ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 25, 2013, 12:42:30 PM
Not that.
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Post by: nicanary on August 27, 2013, 02:17:28 PM
This era is out of my comfort zone, but I'm curious. It's something from an Italian national formula. Is this car powered by an Italian production car engine ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
So far so good.
I'm very, very surprised to see that no-one knows recognize this car!
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Post by: nicanary on August 27, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
It's not Formula Abarth, because the exhaust is on the wrong side. Presumably Fiat-powered ?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
Yes, Fiat-powered.
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 27, 2013, 04:08:28 PM
Formula Monza maybe?
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Post by: faksta on August 27, 2013, 04:53:36 PM
Is it a Formula F.I.R.E. car?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 03:54:25 AM
Is it a Formula F.I.R.E. car?
Yes!
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 04:46:37 AM
This nose looks very familiar, like it was a Formula Ford car before that was converted. By a more or less established manufacturer (by that I mean serial production for more than 1 category)?
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 05:05:54 AM
As a guess rather than a supposition: CRS?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 05:41:08 AM
This nose looks very familiar, like it was a Formula Ford car before that was converted. By a more or less established manufacturer (by that I mean serial production for more than 1 category)?
Not CRS but an established manufacturer.
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 06:43:59 AM
Ermolli?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 07:17:49 AM
Not Ermolli.
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 07:21:57 AM
It can't be Tatuus, or can it be?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 07:28:44 AM
Not Tatuus,
It's never easy to give clues in these cases...but it can't last forever: this maker is very, very known!
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 07:46:09 AM
I'm not sure which Martini was that, but this is the most famous name which I can find in this regard.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 07:51:17 AM
Not Martini.
More famous.
This car was built by a known name, not in the restricted Formula Fire world. t was featured here dozens of times and each one in this forum knows it!
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 07:58:01 AM
At the level of Van Diemen? It looks damn familiar.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 08:03:13 AM
Let's say
Van Diemen: puzzle's car = Koenigsegg : Aston Martin

This is just a personal idea about the magnitudo of the popularity of the brand, nothing about their products or story or etc etc...don't spend too much time on this!
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 08:08:12 AM
L...Lola?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 08:10:40 AM
To be more precise, you can ignore the existence of Van Diemen or Koenigsegg if you are not very interested in Formula cars or exotic sportscars, but if you do not know Aston Martin or XXX it means you know very few about cars. (I choose Aston Martin because I know people who do not know it).
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Post by: Wendax on August 28, 2013, 08:11:16 AM
Ferrari?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 08:13:14 AM
Not Lola.
Not Ferrari.
I won't lock it for the maker, I'll need the model too.
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 09:44:19 AM
That's confusing indeed, as it's hard to imagine that a car of a famous make would not be mentioned in regard to a small series where mostly little known makes competed. Especially when you say that Van Diemen is a lesser known company compared to this one. Indeed, it looks even more to me now that this car might have been a conversion from a car for another series. Then again, I'm totally guessing now again.

Browsing through Formula Monza/Panda/F.I.R.E. information I've stumbled upon Marcos name. Any chance it is Marcos (if it was THAT Marcos)?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
That's confusing indeed, as it's hard to imagine that a car of a famous make would not be mentioned in regard to a small series where mostly little known makes competed. Especially when you say that Van Diemen is a lesser known company compared to this one. Indeed, it looks even more to me now that this car might have been a conversion from a car for another series. Then again, I'm totally guessing now again.

Browsing through Formula Monza/Panda/F.I.R.E. information I've stumbled upon Marcos name. Any chance it is Marcos (if it was THAT Marcos)?
Not Marcos and no need to be confused...
This car was built for the Formula Fire.
I doubt it ever raced.
It was going to be produced in several exemplars.
I suspect that is the only one ever made.
You are too focused on Formula cars.
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 10:12:12 AM
I know I am, I'm trying to get away from them. Must be Italian then if it was developed for Formula F.I.R.E. and surely it will be an unexpected name. Something like Bizzarrini?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 10:13:40 AM
Now we are on the right track!
It's an Italian make and Bizzarrini is a good guess but wrong.
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 10:19:23 AM
Horacio Pagani has built a formula car for local Argentinian races early in his career. Maybe he could also develop a Formula Fire car? Pagani?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 10:19:54 AM
Not Pagani...
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 10:20:29 AM
The last guess before I leave my workplace will be De Tomaso that tried to do everything :P
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 10:39:24 AM
Not De Tomaso...
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Post by: Wendax on August 28, 2013, 11:59:37 AM
Maserati?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 01:33:55 PM
Not Maserati.
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Post by: Wendax on August 28, 2013, 01:45:40 PM
Lamborghini?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 02:53:45 PM
Not Lamborghini.
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 28, 2013, 03:30:44 PM
Osella?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 03:33:53 PM
Not Osella.
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 28, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
Cizeta?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 03:42:17 PM
Not Cizeta...
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 28, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Abarth?
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Post by: faksta on August 28, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Bandini?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
Not Abarth or Bandini.
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Post by: Wendax on August 28, 2013, 04:51:09 PM
Dallara?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2013, 04:54:08 PM
Not Dallara.
Title: Re: PJ - 539
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 03:43:32 AM
You'll save more time if you'll try to narrow the area...
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Post by: faksta on August 29, 2013, 05:36:26 AM
I already tried. What I understood from this all is that it is a Formula FIRE car which apparently didn't race, despite a series of cars was planned to be produced. The car was developed by a rather famous Italian (?) company that was not a single seater specialist.

Innocenti? They've produced Fiat Uno based cars in those years after all.
Title: Re: PJ - 539
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 07:11:03 AM
I already tried. What I understood from this all is that it is a Formula FIRE car which apparently didn't race, despite a series of cars was planned to be produced. The car was developed by a rather famous Italian (?) company that was not a single seater specialist.

Innocenti? They've produced Fiat Uno based cars in those years after all.
Not Innocenti, all the rest is correct.
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Post by: Wendax on August 29, 2013, 07:24:32 AM
What's left? Lancia?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 07:32:07 AM
CRS
Ermolli
Tatuus
Martini
Van Diemen
Lola
Ferrari
Marcos
Bizzarrini
Pagani
De Tomaso
Maserati
Lamborghini
Osella
Cizeta
Abarth
Bandini
Dallara
Innocenti
Lancia
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Post by: Wendax on August 29, 2013, 07:34:31 AM
Iso?
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Post by: faksta on August 29, 2013, 07:37:57 AM
Autobianchi?
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Post by: Hiawatha on August 29, 2013, 08:24:57 AM
Fiat?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 10:29:09 AM
CRS
Ermolli
Tatuus
Martini
Van Diemen
Lola
Ferrari
Marcos
Bizzarrini
Pagani
De Tomaso
Maserati
Lamborghini
Osella
Cizeta
Abarth
Bandini
Dallara
Innocenti
Lancia
Iso
Autobianchi
Fiat

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Post by: pnegyesi on August 29, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
Serenissima?
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Post by: 75america on August 29, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
Alfa Romeo hasn't been mentioned yet.
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Post by: faksta on August 29, 2013, 02:02:24 PM
Now that you mentioned Alfa Romeo I can even see that the nose hole shape is very similar to Alfa grille shape  :o Would be interesting to know if your guess is correct. I wasn't even thinking about suggesting Alfa.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
CRS
Ermolli
Tatuus
Martini
Van Diemen
Lola
Ferrari
Marcos
Bizzarrini
Pagani
De Tomaso
Maserati
Lamborghini
Osella
Cizeta
Abarth
Bandini
Dallara
Innocenti
Lancia
Iso
Autobianchi
Fiat
Serenissima
Alfa Romeo

Title: Re: PJ - 539
Post by: pnegyesi on August 29, 2013, 02:49:58 PM
Cisitalia?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 02:52:01 PM
Yes!  :cheer:
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Post by: faksta on August 29, 2013, 02:57:59 PM
 :applause:
Title: Re: PJ - 539
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
It's not over (and not locked) yet.
Model's name is still missing!
Title: Re: PJ - 539
Post by: pnegyesi on August 29, 2013, 03:17:37 PM
It was made in Argentina and the name I think is Lupa
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
It was made in Italy (by XXXXXX & XXXXXXX XXX), and shown 1st time there.
It came from an idea of Piero's son, Carlo Dusio.
The total run of 30 cars was going to be sold in Argentina too.
The nickname was indeed 'Lupa', but it had an official name too.
Now is locked for you, the answer can be found also where you took this pic  ;)
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 29, 2013, 03:57:35 PM
Here's my problem, I only found a low-res version of this picture which has all the answers. If you extend the lock, I can continue my search tomorrow
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 29, 2013, 04:20:50 PM
You found the car, only the name is missing.
It's locked for you.
If you took the hi-res pic from a set of pics, you should be able to see the answer there  ;)...
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 29, 2013, 11:04:55 PM
Hiawatha suggested D88. I think I found the original set from 2009, but there's no hi-res option. So, with much sadness, I am out
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 30, 2013, 03:46:54 AM
Not D88 but very close.
Still locked.
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 30, 2013, 03:56:42 AM
Maybe D8?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 30, 2013, 04:08:38 AM
Not D8...like the D46 the name has a meaning.
Here is the answer:
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Take your time for your next guess, then I'll unlock.  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 539
Post by: pnegyesi on August 30, 2013, 04:49:32 AM
It is called Cisitalia D98 because it was presented in 1998. Grrrrr, this was difficult
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 30, 2013, 05:16:32 AM
...and you did it!
I thought it was easier, the maker is quite known and there are books and books about.
I must confess I was not aware of this car untill I found an article about, but a search online gave me back several results.
It was built by Racing & Classic Car in Lombardore and shown in Turin in April 1998.
Point for you!