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Title: Solved -PJ562- Forster Six 1920
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 07, 2013, 10:54:30 AM
Here you are a new WWB1 puzzle.
As usual the car is not that obscure but not too easy.
The following only rule is also a big clue:

I won't reveal the nationality of this maker, so you can't ask for it
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: João on November 07, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
Circa 1919 Phianna Touring Car?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 07, 2013, 04:02:52 PM
Not that.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: ropat53 on November 07, 2013, 05:27:13 PM
I'm sure it's not as easy as one of the Sizaire's, but I have to ask, Sizaire-Berwick?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 07, 2013, 05:36:10 PM
Not Sizaire-Berwick.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: ropat53 on November 07, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
Belga-Rise?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 03:15:40 AM
Not Belga-Rise.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Arunas on November 08, 2013, 03:40:54 AM
European?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 04:10:41 AM
The only rule is that I can't reveal the nationality.
Your guess is very smart, since you are not asking for it.
I should not answer but If you get the only clue I tried to give, you can assume it's not from Europe.  ;)
I won't answer to other geographical questions.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Wendax on November 08, 2013, 04:14:51 AM
Is it the Australian Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 04:23:14 AM
Not that but it's a six and the year is about right.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 08, 2013, 07:08:34 AM
Fleetwood-Knight?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 07:16:51 AM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 08, 2013, 08:38:32 AM
Gray-Dort?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
..not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 08, 2013, 09:01:16 AM
McLaughlin?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Wendax on November 08, 2013, 09:02:32 AM
London Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 09:10:53 AM
...not those...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 09:16:25 AM
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
London Six
McLaughlin
Phianna
Sizaire-Berwick
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 08, 2013, 09:16:31 AM
Roberts Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Wendax on November 08, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
Birmingham Flexible Axle Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 09:20:10 AM

Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
London Six
McLaughlin
Phianna
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick

Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Wendax on November 08, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
Parker?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 08, 2013, 11:08:21 AM
Moon (perhaps a 6-50) from about 1924?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 12:45:19 PM

Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
London Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick


Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: targhediferro on November 08, 2013, 02:57:52 PM
Moon, 1924?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 08, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Not Moon.
Take the time to read carefully previous posts, not because Moon was already guessed but because it can save you quite a lot of time  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: targhediferro on November 08, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
Is it a Parker six tourer 70hp, 1923?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Arunas on November 08, 2013, 06:44:13 PM
Commonwealth?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 01:56:30 AM
Roamer from about 1920?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 07:42:53 AM

Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
London Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick


Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: targhediferro on November 09, 2013, 08:52:37 AM
London six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 09:01:35 AM
Your latest 3 guesses, Moon, Parker and London Six have been guessed already...
I'll try to recap in a bigger way  ;):
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
London Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: targhediferro on November 09, 2013, 11:38:16 AM
Sorry, it doesn't dipend on little or bigger typing...it's me that I was sleeping!
La Marne?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 11:50:17 AM
I think it's a long, long sleep you are in then  ;D
There were at least 2 different La Marne, the French one (Brun et Forest, Chalons, Marne) and the American one (La Marne Motor Company, Cleveland, Ohio).
One was european (4-cyl) and the other was an Eight.
The puzzle car is not European and is a Six, as wrote before... :bonk:
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: targhediferro on November 09, 2013, 12:46:02 PM
No, this time I was awake, as I found notice about a La Marne six from Canada... ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Interesting...according to my sources, Anglo-American Motors Ltd in Trenton, Ontario was going to produce locally the Eight 85HP built by La Marne Motor Company from Cleveland but probably just one car was made there...was that a six?
Anyway is not La Marne (or Anglo-American Motors).
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 01:12:29 PM
Halladay from about 1920?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 01:18:41 PM
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
Halladay
La Marne
London Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 09, 2013, 01:31:01 PM
Bourassa Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 01:32:10 PM
Kenworthy from about 1920?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 01:32:33 PM
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 01:47:16 PM
Let's try a different approach.  Does the word "Six" appear in the car's name?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
I'd say yes.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 03:05:47 PM
Californian Six from about 1920?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Californian Six
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 03:21:50 PM
Winther Six-61 from about 1922?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
Not that...
The car is a XXXXXX Six, the maker was XXXXXX.
Don't count the Xs.
...and remember the only rule is also the only clue.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 03:40:33 PM
Masterbilt Six from about 1926?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2013, 03:51:42 PM
Ok, not a Masterbilt Six.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: targhediferro on November 09, 2013, 05:09:28 PM
Brock Six, 1921?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 09, 2013, 08:44:30 PM
Southern Six from about 1920?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Arunas on November 10, 2013, 03:03:19 AM
Canadian Six ~1921?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 05:33:39 AM
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Brock Six
Californian Six
Canadian Six
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
Masterbilt Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Southern Six
Winther Six
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 10, 2013, 05:35:51 AM
Champion Six from about 1922?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 05:37:58 AM
Australian Six
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Brock Six
Californian Six
Canadian Six
Champion Six
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
Masterbilt Six
McLaughlin
Moon
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Southern Six
Winther Six
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 10, 2013, 05:41:09 AM
New York Six from about 1928?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 05:45:45 AM
Could it be an Auburn?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 05:47:13 AM
The year is wrong.
Not New York Six.
As stated before, there is just one clue that may be VERY useful if you want to name all the Six of the 20s....I suggest you to focus on that before...but I'm here to answer all your guesses, of course.
Another clue: this maker is not very obscure and it's reported in all the books covering the subject (cars of the 20s) I have.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 05:50:29 AM
Not Auburn.
Final advice: some puzzlers seem to have got the clue.  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 05:54:44 AM
American Balanced Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 05:56:29 AM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 06:00:30 AM
Bay State (with a Continental six)?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 06:02:56 AM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 06:06:12 AM
Cleveland Automobile Company "Cleveland Six"?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 06:07:19 AM
Not Cleveland.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 06:08:34 AM
Columbia Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 10, 2013, 06:11:04 AM
Amco Six from about 1922?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 06:13:39 AM
Flint Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 06:16:07 AM
Not Columbia, Amco and Flint.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 06:18:01 AM

Amco
American Balanced
Auburn
Australian Six
Bay State
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Brock Six
Californian Six
Canadian Six
Champion Six
Cleveland
Columbia
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Flint
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
Masterbilt Six
McLaughlin
Moon
New York
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Southern Six
Winther Six
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 06:21:07 AM
Lone Star 6-40?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
Wills Sainte Claire?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 10, 2013, 06:46:17 AM
Simplicity Six from about 1920?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 07:20:37 AM

Amco
American Balanced
Auburn
Australian Six
Bay State
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Brock Six
Californian Six
Canadian Six
Champion Six
Cleveland
Columbia
Commonwealth
Fleetwood-Knight
Flint
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
Lone-Star
Masterbilt Six
McLaughlin
Moon
New York
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Simplicity Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Southern Six
Wills Sainte Claire
Winther Six
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 10, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Elcar Six from about 1925?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 12:33:49 PM

Amco
American Balanced
Auburn
Australian Six
Bay State
Belga-Rise
Birmingham
Bourassa
Brock Six
Californian Six
Canadian Six
Champion Six
Cleveland
Columbia
Commonwealth
Elcar
Fleetwood-Knight
Flint
Gray-Dort
Halladay
Kenworthy
La Marne
London Six
Lone-Star
Masterbilt Six
McLaughlin
Moon
New York
Parker
Phianna
Roamer
Roberts Six
Simplicity Six
Sizaire-Berwick
Southern Six
Wills Sainte Claire
Winther Six
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 10, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
Studebaker Big Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 01:42:51 PM
Not Studebaker.
I can't give clues or it will be too easy, but I can answer to your guesses about.
I had the feeling that some of you got it.
It will be much, much easier.
I think I made it clear but I can be wrong (and I often am) so, my suggestion is not list all the 6-cylinder cars of the 20s but ask me about the only clue...then will be a (short) rush toward the solution.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 10, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
is the name related to the geographical location?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 10, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
Nope...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: ropat53 on November 10, 2013, 08:26:54 PM
Locomobile? There were Locomobiles bodied by Derham and Brewster with Rolls Royce like radiators.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Craig Gillingham on November 10, 2013, 11:42:17 PM
Was this a production car, made in any significant numbers?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 11, 2013, 03:01:18 AM
Locomobile? There were Locomobiles bodied by Derham and Brewster with Rolls Royce like radiators.
Not Locomobile.
Was this a production car, made in any significant numbers?
Every source I read about reports that probably not a single car was ever made, but the maker is regulary listed as manufacturer.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 11, 2013, 03:06:42 AM
Stansell Six?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 11, 2013, 03:09:37 AM
Not that...it won't take much...
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 11, 2013, 03:10:41 AM
THe Washington (named for George, not the place), from Cleveland, Ohio?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 11, 2013, 03:16:32 AM
Not Washington...
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Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 11, 2013, 03:18:32 AM
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Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 11, 2013, 03:33:36 AM
You are not paying attention to the only clue...it's not about the name but the nationality.
I'm not going to reveal where it's from for a simple reason...a very simple reason.
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: 4popoid on November 11, 2013, 04:27:39 AM
Corinthian Six from about 1923?
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 11, 2013, 04:33:35 AM
Was there a Six too?
Anyway is not that and there was only a Six in their line up (2 different bodistyles).
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 11, 2013, 06:49:37 AM
Forster?
1920 EISEMANN MAGNETO Big Original AD. Featuring FORSTER SIX (Canada). Brooklyn
Title: Re: PJ - 562 - Who will be 1st?
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 11, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
Bingo!!  :applause:
The only rule was 'I can't reveal the nationality' because once you'll knew it was from Canada, it was a matter of minutes.
The only clue was that I could not reveal the nationality: if it was from the USoA, what kind of clue was that?
I had to say it was not from Europe to avoid you to name all the cars made in those markets where the makers are not hundreds but what was left? Australia, Canada and Asia...given the fact that Africa and South America were out of the question. The look of the car was pretty American, so Canada was a valid guess and my replies were all in this direction.
I hope I did not waste your time and you enjoied the game like I did.  ;)

A well earned point for you Pal!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ562- Forster Six 1920
Post by: pnegyesi on November 11, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
Thanks, Google Snippet view fooled me a bit, otherwise I would have found it earlier.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ562- Forster Six 1920
Post by: Bill Murray on November 11, 2013, 04:03:03 PM
My hat is off to you Pal :hail: :hail:

That was not an easy puzzle for sure and I as well as many others put in a lot of time trying to figure it out.

Good Job My Friend................

Bill