Please identify this car for a point. Mechanical base, builder, year and place are necessary for a point
Experts?
It is based on the Model T Ford. There were many speedsters/racers made in the good old days, commercially [eg, Mercury] & in back yards. Using kits or bits and pieces from different Model Ts, other makes and even proper hi performance racing parts manufactured especially [by Riley, Miller, Winfield etc] for Model Ts.
Manuel in Oz
well, looking at the original photograph I don't think this was based on a Model T
I may be wrong. But from what I see under the car, it looks like a T flywheel/clutch/gearbox housing.
And there appear to be T type front and rear wishbones.
Professionals?
Made in USA?
no
France?
Now that we are back. I was examining the pic again and the steering wheel appears to be from a Model T Ford as well.
Manuel in Oz
not from France.
Manuel, the car stands in front of a dealership of another brand. The builder worked at the dealership...
Thanks Pnegyesi. I can't wait for someone to come up with the answer.
Is the pic really taken from a film negative [rather than a photo]?
Cheers,
Manuel in Oz
Made in Australia?
Yes, made in Australia. And this is a photo, I just added this effect to prevent GSI
Is it based on a US car?
yes
Ford?
as we discussed with Manuel, probably not
Quote from: pnegyesi on November 23, 2012, 01:30:31 PM
as we discussed with Manuel, probably not
Well, your contention was that it wasn't a Model T. It looks like a Model T to me as well, but there are other models of Fords that are somewhat similar.
We'll try something else, although Manuel's mentioned it. Is it a Mercury?
What is GSI?
It sounds a bit like Goods and Services tax to me :-)
Since it comes from Oz I am even more interested.
Manuel in Oz
Quote from: Manuel on November 23, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
What is GSI?
It sounds a bit like Goods and Services tax to me :-)
Since it comes from Oz I am even more interested.
Manuel in Oz
It's Google Search by Image. He added the color so you can't use the GSI feature and do a "reverse lookup" of the image.
Wild guess: 1920 Palm?
QuoteHave a look at this USA Model T speedster thread boys [any girls here?]. It does not have the answer but the speedster pics are good.
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Manuel in Oz
Links are forbidden in this section. Please be careful Manuel and read the rules. Thanks.
Back to the puzzle, not a 1920 Palm
Packard?
not based on a Packard
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Was this an actual car that was sold in numbers, or a one off?
Is it from a large company like GM?
this was a one-off
Quote from: pnegyesi on December 07, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
this was a one-off
ok, but was the base donor a large company?
a member of the GM family
Pontiac?
no
Chevrolet?
yes
Ames body?
no, this was a one-off built by an Australian individual
I'm gonna have to leave this to Manuel or Craig cuz I'm slightly out of touch with historic one-offs from Down Under. ;)
the info is available online
Ok. Since Manuel and Craig seem to be on holiday, I'll try to narrow it down by year.
Was the base car (the Chevy) built between 1925 and 1930?
most probably yes
Sorry boys. I am stumped on this one as well.
Tho the steering wheel and the bits I can see under the car scream Ford to me.
Happy New Year to all!!
Manuel in Oz
Clues: the man raced this car in the 1920s but never won a race. So he decided to try his hands on motorboats.
But in the 1930s he built at least one more car
This car was built by John Jennison in Salisbury (A Northern suburb of Adelaide), in the late 20's. It's not clear when the photo was taken, from what I can figure out, after 1925.
Regarding what the car was based on, I think the answer that is required is Chevrolet. But, looking at the front on view of the car, that front axle and steering wheel are definitely from a Model T Ford, and by the look of it, the front cross member of the chassis as well; the car could have been made out of some Chev parts. That sump also looks T model, to me.
very well found! Congratulations and two points for you
Thank you, it's very kind of you.
Putting Chev steel disc wheels on T Fords was popular in the good old days as was putting OHV 4 cyl Chev/Olds heads on T blocks [which were side valve] to make them breathe and rev better.
There is not much info around on hi speed parts made in Aus/NZ. They were avail from overseas @ great cost. So some did take the plunge and make them here in very small numbers.
Manuel in Oz
I'm with Manuel. After seeing the front view, I'm about 99 percent positive that it's not a Chevy frame. As far as I know, Chevrolet never used a transverse spring...they used twin longitudinal semi-eliptic springs going back to their inception in 1911. It's one reason the Model T (and the Model A after it) was so popular as a platform for dirt-track jalopies. With a transverse spring, you could use snubbers to limit the amount of body roll (an early version of the sway bar) which made 'em handle much better than the longitudinal-sprung cars. And I still gotta agree that the oil pan/bellhousing/transmission looks identical to a Model T's.
The first attached photo shows a Frontenac-head Model T Ford Speedster under construction. The transverse spring is evident, as is the very large-diameter bellhousing that is characteristics of a Model T.
The 2nd photo shows a Model T Speedster with the same "hallmark" bellhousing and disc wheels.
I'm not arguing for a point, just an accuracy thing.
You may be right. My assumption was based on the fact that the car stands in front of a Chevy dealership
Thanks Ray.
That OHC Fronty looks interesting. I would love to see/hear it running.
Cheers,
Manuel in Oz