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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: pnegyesi on December 20, 2012, 03:06:34 PM

Title: Solved: PN #427 -- C M Hayes three-wheeler, cca 1936
Post by: pnegyesi on December 20, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Please identify the builder of this thing, which looks like a car. An approximate year would also be great for that elusive point
Title: Re: PN #427
Post by: kwgibbs on December 21, 2012, 05:01:53 PM
is this a invalid, microcar ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 21, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
no
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 22, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
how about a home-built microcar ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 22, 2012, 01:22:10 AM
home-built for sure, but whether it is really a microcar or a closed 3-wheeler motorcycle is anyone's guess
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 22, 2012, 02:32:47 AM
czechoslovakian home-built ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 22, 2012, 03:12:31 PM
no, not from CZ or SK
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 22, 2012, 03:37:15 PM
is it from europe ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 22, 2012, 04:01:53 PM
yes
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 22, 2012, 04:15:10 PM
sweden made a bunch of home-built car,s
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 23, 2012, 01:21:01 AM
not from Sweden
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 23, 2012, 01:22:56 AM
from hungary ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 23, 2012, 02:07:30 AM
No :)
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 23, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
belgium?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 23, 2012, 03:07:30 PM
No
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Post by: kwgibbs on December 23, 2012, 03:09:07 PM
looks sort a spanish?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 25, 2012, 11:50:56 PM
not from Spain
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
Experts?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 01, 2013, 11:05:20 AM
is this little gem a cycle-car?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2013, 11:07:01 AM
in a sense yes, as it uses motorcycle parts - but it was built later than typical cycle-cars
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 01, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
was it built by a german auto designer>
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
no
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 01, 2013, 11:48:00 AM
this car sounds to be very obscure?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2013, 12:06:18 PM
yes
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 01, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
does this car carry the builder,s name?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
yes
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 01, 2013, 01:32:22 PM
would this be an english name?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 02, 2013, 02:00:47 AM
yes
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 02, 2013, 07:58:58 AM
is it a name,that is pretty much unknown,considering it,s obscurity?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 02, 2013, 08:27:52 AM
yes
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 02, 2013, 11:04:29 AM
i hope this little car stays out of the black hole
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Post by: targhediferro on January 04, 2013, 12:31:03 PM
French?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 04, 2013, 12:36:36 PM
as we stated previously: British
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 04, 2013, 01:03:52 PM
would the name be hamblin?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 04, 2013, 02:50:15 PM
absolutely not
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 04, 2013, 06:58:30 PM
how about carter?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2013, 12:49:39 AM
no
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 05, 2013, 09:46:01 AM
would the name be totally unknown to most people,or fairly common?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2013, 10:33:11 AM
I'd say common
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 05, 2013, 11:16:46 AM
any relation to AC -petite?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
this is older
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 05, 2013, 12:14:39 PM
Harper?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
starts with a H, second letter is a ...
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 05, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
how about humber?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2013, 12:58:20 PM
no
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 06, 2013, 12:07:24 AM
hillman?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 06, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
kwgibbs - did you read what I offered as a clue above?
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Post by: kwgibbs on January 06, 2013, 10:23:30 AM
Harding?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 06, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
no
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 08:40:30 AM
Okay, up to pros now
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Post by: Wendax on January 09, 2013, 08:51:44 AM
Harris?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 09:03:46 AM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2013, 10:25:54 AM
Harold?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 10:56:08 AM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Hansen?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
no
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Post by: woodinsight on January 09, 2013, 11:31:37 AM
Hamilton c.1947?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 11:55:06 AM
no and earlier
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
Hatkins?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 01:19:11 PM
no
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Post by: woodinsight on January 09, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
Harrison?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 02:45:38 PM
no
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Post by: woodinsight on January 09, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
Hall?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 02:53:21 PM
no
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Post by: woodinsight on January 09, 2013, 02:56:44 PM
One last guess or this can go on all night.....
Haworth?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 10, 2013, 06:06:49 AM
no, well, I will offer a clue next week
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Post by: woodinsight on January 15, 2013, 10:23:52 AM
Harvey?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 15, 2013, 10:58:52 AM
no.
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Post by: woodinsight on January 15, 2013, 12:16:02 PM
Hawkins?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 15, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
no, think about car maintenance (the name in question is very similar)
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Post by: Wendax on January 15, 2013, 01:28:20 PM
Haines?
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Post by: Hiawatha on January 15, 2013, 04:28:17 PM
Halford?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 16, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
Wendax is thinking along the right line, but he's not there yet. So others can have a go as well
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Post by: Wendax on January 16, 2013, 12:54:53 PM
Haymes?
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Post by: woodinsight on January 16, 2013, 01:47:40 PM
Hayes?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 16, 2013, 03:21:06 PM
It is now locked for woodinsight. This three-wheeler was built by C.M. Hayes. I'd need a year or the type of the motorcycle which the builder used.
Title: Re: PN #427
Post by: woodinsight on January 16, 2013, 06:27:20 PM
I can only guess as I don't think I have any source to find the answer....
It possibly dates from the immediate post WWII period - c.1946/47 and may have a 125/175cc engine...Francis-Barnett?
Title: Re: PN #427
Post by: pnegyesi on January 16, 2013, 11:52:54 PM
1947 was already guessed - it is earlier
and not a Francis-Barnett engine.

You have one more opportunity
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Post by: woodinsight on January 17, 2013, 02:04:58 AM
I'd already guessed 1947!  :bag:

One last attempt - c.1941 and an Excelsior engine?
Title: Re: PN #427
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 03:50:31 AM
It is still older and not an Excelsior.

I feel generous - still locked for you. There's a saying: 3 is the Hungarian truth. So you have a 3rd attempt
Title: Re: PN #427
Post by: woodinsight on January 17, 2013, 04:46:12 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 03:50:31 AM
It is still older and not an Excelsior.

I feel generous - still locked for you. There's a saying: 3 is the Hungarian truth. So you have a 3rd attempt
Thank you!
I guess your saying is the same as the English "Third time lucky" but I'm not really feeling positive about this one...
I'm assuming the engine is also British and will go for a Raleigh simply because they also built a three-wheeler in the 1930s with a single front wheel. Many of the British motor cycle engines of the 1930s were I think too powerful for this machine!
The year? Difficult to gauge but I'll guess mid-1930s......
Title: Re: PN #427
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 05:13:24 AM
Okay, I let you off the hook.

I found an article in a 1936 magazine, saying this was built by C M Hayes, using bits from an AJS motorcycle.

A hard-earner point for you
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Post by: woodinsight on January 17, 2013, 06:38:35 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 05:13:24 AM
Okay, I let you off the hook.

I found an article in a 1936 magazine, saying this was built by C M Hayes, using bits from an AJS motorcycle.

A hard-earner point for you
Thank you again Pal - as you say it wasn't easy as I couldn't find any reference to it in my usual sources.
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