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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: pnegyesi on July 07, 2013, 12:54:38 AM

Title: Solved: PN #508 -- Yuzhou wagon, 1980s
Post by: pnegyesi on July 07, 2013, 12:54:38 AM
All I am asking is a brand name, which is written on the front of the car. Easy, isn't it :)?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: Mazdafreak on July 07, 2013, 09:57:00 AM
I doubt it would be a Land Rover
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 07, 2013, 10:33:21 AM
It's got absolutely nothing to do with Land Rover
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: kwgibbs on July 14, 2013, 10:34:01 AM
soviet?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2013, 10:44:35 AM
no
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: frederick59 on July 14, 2013, 12:59:33 PM
ARO?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2013, 01:10:13 PM
not from Romania
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: frederick59 on July 14, 2013, 01:11:04 PM
De Portaro?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
not from Portugal (and not related to Aro)
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 21, 2013, 07:40:26 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: Wendax on July 21, 2013, 08:12:22 AM
Looks a lot like a Toyota Land Cruiser J6. License-built or Chinese rip-off?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on July 21, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
Chinese
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 13, 2013, 01:02:33 PM
I am inclined to send this to the Black Hole
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 13, 2013, 04:54:01 PM
Xiwang?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 13, 2013, 04:55:55 PM
no
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 14, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
Huanghai?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 14, 2013, 03:24:53 AM
no. I admit it is not easy to find this car on the web, even if you search in Chinese. But it is not impossible either (you see, I also found it by accident :))
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 15, 2013, 01:35:13 AM
I haven't stumbled upon the picture yet, so I will have to stay with trying to determine the maker with logic.  My latest theory is that it is an early SUV (prototype?) by Dadi (Dadi Automobile Group Co., Ltd.) based on the Series 60 Toyota Land Cruiser.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 15, 2013, 03:04:09 AM
it is not a Dadi
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 15, 2013, 03:32:18 AM
How about a Lièbào, the brand name of Changfeng for variation on a first generation Mitsubishi Pajero?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 15, 2013, 03:42:21 AM
this brand name is no longer around, in fact it has not been around since the early 2000s.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 16, 2013, 03:31:52 AM
Jincheng?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 16, 2013, 05:07:19 AM
no
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 16, 2013, 05:20:10 AM
Here are some clues. The company which produced the puzzle was set up in 1956. In 1995 it was absorbed into a Chinese motorcycle manufacturer, which also produced buses. Now another subsidiary of this motorcycle manufacturer would like to make an SUV. Apparently this subsidiary was bought by another company - and some of the sites dealing with Chinese cars mentions the brand name of the puzzle car, in relation to this complex story
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 16, 2013, 07:21:13 PM
Thanks for the clues.  As you are aware, trying to sort out all the Chinese companies, mergers, and brands can be dizzying.  I think I may be making some progress, but I need to narrow my scope before proceeding further.  Is the motorcycle manufacturer, who also made buses, Lifan?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 17, 2013, 12:13:12 AM
no
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 20, 2013, 01:37:04 AM
Not much progress the last couple of days, but I'm still at it.  Is the motorcycle manufacturer, who also made buses, GAC Group (officially Guangzhou Automobile Group Co Ltd)?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 20, 2013, 04:43:16 AM
no, this is a company which never ventured into cars before (or so it seems)
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 21, 2013, 01:01:38 AM
Was the manufacturer of the puzzle vehicle Chongqing Special Purpose Use Vehicle Manufacturing Co Ltd.?  If so, I will try to locate a brand associated with them.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 27, 2013, 12:10:52 AM
The maker of the the puzzle car is located in Chongqing (but not Special Purpose Vehicle Co). The motorcycle company is headquartered somewhere else.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 29, 2013, 01:59:45 AM
I'm still working on this, albeit with growing frustration.  You say: "The motorcycle company is headquartered somewhere else."  Would this somewhere else be Nanjing?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 29, 2013, 03:39:10 PM
Sorry, the motorcycle company is also in Chonqing - I made a mistake with this.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 29, 2013, 11:31:28 PM
The motorcycle company being in Chongquing makes things a bit more complicated, as there are (were) several located there.  Nevertheless I'll stay at it, and begin with: China Jialing Industrial Co., Ltd. (Group) a state-owned listed company, whose holding company is China South Industry Corporation.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on November 30, 2013, 08:52:58 AM
and this earns you a lock. The motorcycle company is indeed Jialing. Now "all" you need to find is a subsidiary which proposed a car. There were reports about this subsidiary which mentioned a predecessor of this subsidiary, which made the puzzle car.
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on November 30, 2013, 07:37:58 PM
Thank you for the lock.  I'm not sure if I will be able to solve this, given the complexity of the Chinese corporate world, but I will give it a try.

As I posted previously: "China Jialing Industrial Co., Ltd. (Group) a state-owned listed company, whose holding company is China South Industry Corporation."  Another subsidiary of China South Industry Corporation is: China Chang'an Automobile Group Co., Ltd., who, like Jialing, is also located in Chongquing.  China Chang'an Automobile Group Co., Ltd. had a predecessor company called: Chang'an Factory who began making a Willys Jeep knock-off in 1957.  While I haven't been able to locate a photograph of the puzzle vehicle, and while pictures that I have seen of the early Jeep vehicle look nothing like the puzzle vehicle, I will speculate that perhaps the puzzle vehicle was a later model produced by this factory which retained the same brand as the 1957 vehicle.  That brand was named after the river running through Chongquing, and was: Changjiang, which translates to: Yangtze River. 
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on December 01, 2013, 12:42:17 AM
no, you are heading in the wrong direction. We are talking about a subsidiary of Jialing, not a subsidiary of China South

Still locked for another try
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: 4popoid on December 03, 2013, 01:17:12 AM
Well I have found a brand of vehicle once made (60's and/or 80's depending on which blog one reads) in Chongquing whose maker apparently, at one time, had a relationship to Jialing, and a brand name which is now related to another subsidiary of Jialing.  Is the brand I am looking for: Yuzhou?
Title: Re: PN #508
Post by: pnegyesi on December 03, 2013, 01:19:12 PM
 :thumbsup:

And a very hard-earned point is now on its way to you
Title: Re: Solved: PN #508 -- Yuzhou wagon, 1980s
Post by: 4popoid on December 03, 2013, 03:07:16 PM
Thanks Pal!  A very hard earned point it was.  I estimate that I put at least 40 hours into this project.  I'm probably crazy, but I have great difficulty giving up on a project, unless someone else solves it before I can.