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Title: Solved: PN #514 -- 1900 Bouttier voiturette
Post by: pnegyesi on July 21, 2013, 07:58:32 AM
Please identify this car for a point
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 28, 2013, 07:43:19 AM
Experts?
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Post by: kwgibbs on July 28, 2013, 10:28:07 AM
Balzer?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 28, 2013, 10:41:48 AM
no
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Post by: kwgibbs on July 28, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
Is it American?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 28, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
no
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 04, 2013, 07:17:58 AM
Professionals?
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Post by: Wendax on August 04, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Is it an 1899 Loutzky?
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 04, 2013, 08:32:05 AM
no
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Post by: Wendax on August 04, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
German at all?
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 04, 2013, 08:49:01 AM
no
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Post by: GV CREATIONS on October 19, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
Voiturette Morel ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 19, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
It is a Voiturette but not from Morel
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Post by: Wendax on October 19, 2013, 03:53:17 PM
French?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 19, 2013, 03:55:07 PM
yes
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Post by: 4popoid on October 19, 2013, 10:20:16 PM
Was this Voiturette built before 1920?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 19, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
yes, quite so
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Post by: Arunas on October 20, 2013, 04:05:53 AM
Was the marque short-lived and existed only in a period of 1900-1910?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 04:42:36 AM
1897?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 04:59:57 AM
My copy of Georgano is still in a box, but it seems this was a very short living brand, which existed prior to 1901 but after 1897
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 05:14:01 AM
Le Blon
Malliary 1900?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 05:17:04 AM
no
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Post by: Arunas on October 20, 2013, 05:26:47 AM
Bruneau?
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 05:28:16 AM
Peillon?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 05:32:33 AM
no 2x
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 06:05:01 AM
Rouxel?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 06:33:58 AM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 06:40:46 AM
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
LeBlon
Bruneau
Malliary
Morel
Peillon
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles?


but as someone asked: it is from 1900
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 07:07:05 AM
Gallet & Itasse?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 07:20:56 AM
MLT (Molas, Lamielle et Tessier)?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 07:25:51 AM
LeBlon
Bruneau
Gallet Itasse
Malliary
MLT
Morel
Peillon
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 07:36:17 AM
Ouzou?
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 07:37:36 AM
Stella?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 07:57:20 AM
Let's start from 'C' this time:
Ader?
Bertrand?
Castoldi?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 08:11:42 AM
Ader
Bertrand
LeBlon
Bruneau
Castoldi
Gallet Itasse
Malliary
MLT
Morel
Ouzou
Peillon
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles?
Stella
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 08:13:44 AM
Vinet?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 08:28:39 AM
Mignonette-Luap?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 08:59:43 AM
Bertrand
LeBlon
Bruneau
Castoldi
Gallet Itasse
Malliary
Mignonette-Luap
MLT
Morel
Ouzou
Peillon
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles?
Stella
Vinet

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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 09:09:56 AM
Levenn?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 09:12:49 AM
Terrot?
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 09:32:00 AM
Rivat et Bouchard?
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Post by: nicanary on October 20, 2013, 09:35:21 AM
Parisienne ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
Bertrand
LeBlon
Bruneau
Castoldi
Gallet Itasse
Levenn
Malliary
Mignonette-Luap
MLT
Morel
Ouzou
Parisienne
Peillon
Rivat et Bouchard
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles?
Stella
Terrot
Vinet
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Parent-Lacroix?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 10:02:12 AM
Rocourt-Merlin?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 10:05:59 AM
Pantz?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
Obvisouly there were a lot of French voiturettes at that time

Bertrand
LeBlon
Bruneau
Castoldi
Gallet Itasse
Levenn
Malliary
Mignonette-Luap
MLT
Morel
Ouzou
Pantz
Parent-Lacroix
Parisienne
Peillon
Rivat et Bouchard
Rcoourt-Merlin
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles
Stella
Terrot
Vinet
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
Ravel?
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 10:38:41 AM
Bérard?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
neither of the two
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 10:43:25 AM
Brierre?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
De Riancey?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 10:47:50 AM
neither of those two either

And as there's a lot of interest in this puzzle, I took out my copy of Georgano and this manufacturer is not in there

Oh and I found the picture online
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 11:01:28 AM
Perfect.
Just to specify, it's not in Georgano's 'New Encyclopedia'. Do you know if it's in the Beaulieu?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 11:02:02 AM
Omega?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
I checked out the new, Beaulieu Encyclopedia, the old one is in another box at another place :)

Not Omega
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Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2013, 11:18:02 AM
Castoldi?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 11:29:06 AM
no
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 11:30:38 AM
Cochot?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 11:42:39 AM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 11:52:12 AM
Ardent?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
no
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 12:08:07 PM
Guerraz?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 12:33:08 PM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 01:41:41 PM
1900 Dore Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 01:52:58 PM
Comiot?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 02:04:14 PM
no
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 02:07:02 PM
Colliot?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 02:10:43 PM
1900 Olga Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 02:37:35 PM
twice no
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 02:52:33 PM
Elan?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 03:07:34 PM
Denis De Boisse?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 03:32:43 PM
Ardent
Berard
Bertrand
LeBlon
Brierre
Bruneau
Castoldi
Cochot
Collio
Comiot
De Riancey
Denis De Boisse
Dore
Elan
Gallet Itasse
Guerraz
Levenn
Malliary
Mignonette-Luap
MLT
Morel
Olga
Omega
Ouzou
Pantz
Parent-Lacroix
Parisienne
Peillon
Ravel
Rivat et Bouchard
Rcoourt-Merlin
Rouxel
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles
Stella
Terrot
Vinet
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
1900 Shephard Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 04:06:13 PM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 04:23:50 PM
1900 Bravo Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 04:26:38 PM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 04:29:46 PM
1900 Reisacher-Julien Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 04:42:32 PM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 04:42:51 PM
Energie?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 04:47:01 PM
Le Brun?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 20, 2013, 04:51:03 PM
no 2x
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2013, 04:54:52 PM
Is this name featured in any of your sources (books, etc) or did you saw it on that website only?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 20, 2013, 04:56:41 PM
Faugere?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 20, 2013, 11:25:08 PM
1900 Cenia Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
It is featured in an online list of French automobile manufacturers.

Not Cenia or Faugere
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 12:53:35 AM
1900 Helvetia Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 03:21:29 AM
no
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Post by: nicanary on October 21, 2013, 06:20:24 AM
Grivel ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 06:21:36 AM
no
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Post by: nicanary on October 21, 2013, 06:30:58 AM
Juzan ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 07:07:46 AM
no
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Post by: nicanary on October 21, 2013, 07:13:40 AM
Poron?
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Post by: targhediferro on October 21, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
Bourguignonne?...I finished my list with this name.
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 08:08:22 AM
neither of the two
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Post by: Allemano on October 21, 2013, 08:15:18 AM
Impetus?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
"this was a very short living brand, which existed prior to 1901 but after 1897"

Not an Impetus
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Post by: nicanary on October 21, 2013, 08:21:44 AM
Populaire ?
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Post by: Allemano on October 21, 2013, 08:24:33 AM
Foucher et Delachanal?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 08:47:34 AM
no 2x
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Post by: Allemano on October 21, 2013, 09:20:49 AM
Esculape?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 10:46:07 AM
1900 Vagnon et Canet Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 10:59:32 AM
no 2x
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 21, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
It is featured in an online list of French automobile manufacturers.

Not Cenia or Faugere
But have you found any back-up to its existence in any other source?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 11:17:49 AM
I have this picture and a description from a contemporary magazine. What else would be required?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 11:28:27 AM
1900 Jussy Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
no

This voiturette was introduced at the same show where the Gallet & Itasse voiturette was also shown
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Post by: Allemano on October 21, 2013, 11:48:47 AM
'Tauzin' would be my last offer..
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 11:51:21 AM
no
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Post by: Allemano on October 21, 2013, 12:10:21 PM
1898 Fortier?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 12:39:51 PM
no (and not from 1898)
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Post by: Allemano on October 21, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
1899?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 21, 2013, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 11:17:49 AM
I have this picture and a description from a contemporary magazine. What else would be required?
that's fine...I was afraid it was just a name and a pic on the net, sorry to bother.
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
it is not a bother. You were right to worry :)

Not from 1899 (though the company was active in 1898 and 1899 too - according to the list on the net)
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 02:19:25 PM
The last name on my current list of possibilities is: 1900 Cyrano Voiturette.
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
from 1900 but not a Cyrano
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 03:02:34 PM
1900 Patin (Patin et Requillard?)  Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 03:10:30 PM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 03:28:20 PM
1900 Barrière  Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 03:46:26 PM
I am not striking through the candidates any more, so it'll be easy to see. So far none of this:
Ardent
Barriere
Berard
Bertrand
LeBlon
Bourguignonne
Bravo
Brierre
LeBrun
Bruneau
Castoldi
Cenia
Cochot
Collio
Comiot
Cyrano
De Riancey
Denis De Boisse
Dore
Elan
Energie
Esculape (or Aesculap)
Faugere
Fortier
Foucher et Delachanal
Gallet Itasse
Grivel
Guerraz
Helvetia
Impetus
Jussy
Juzan
Levenn
Malliary
Mignonette-Luap
MLT
Morel
Olga
Omega
Ouzou
Pantz
Parent-Lacroix
Parisienne
Patin
Populaire
Poron
Peillon
Reisacher-Julien
Ravel
Rivat et Bouchard
Rcoourt-Merlin
Rouxel
Shephard
Societe Generale des Voitures Automobiles
Stella
Tauzin
Terrot
Vagnon et Canet
Vinet
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 03:58:36 PM
1900 Dalla-Decimas  Voiturette?
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Post by: Wendax on October 21, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
Malinge et Laulan "La Violette"?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2013, 04:32:44 PM
no 2x
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Post by: Wendax on October 21, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
Kécheur?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 21, 2013, 05:08:31 PM
1900 Dorigny  Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 02:36:01 AM
no 2x
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 02:37:26 AM
Sphringe?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 22, 2013, 02:52:48 AM
1900 Petigard, Prat et Carabin  Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 03:57:40 AM
no 2x
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 04:09:33 AM
Monier et May?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 05:15:54 AM
no
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 05:28:00 AM
Goassant?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 05:30:59 AM
no
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 06:43:01 AM
De Failletours?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 07:28:53 AM
no
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Dumont?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 22, 2013, 11:19:00 AM
1900 Schmidt Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
no 2x
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 11:46:09 AM
Dalifol et Thomas?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 22, 2013, 11:56:33 AM
1900 S. F. Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 12:04:43 PM
no 2x
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 12:28:52 PM
Cyclone?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
no
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Post by: Arunas on October 22, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
Is it on the first half of the alphabet?

A-M? :)
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Post by: 4popoid on October 22, 2013, 01:12:19 PM
Let's try a different approach.  Is this voiturette petrol powered?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 01:24:46 PM
first half of the alphabet, I don't know whether it was petrol powered or not

Here's the description from the magazine
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 01:35:47 PM
Chavanet?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
no
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 02:35:19 PM
Campagne?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 03:37:32 PM
no
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Post by: Wendax on October 22, 2013, 03:38:22 PM
Metropole?
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Post by: Arunas on October 22, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
Is the name a single word or compiled of two?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 22, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Quotefirst half of the alphabet, I don't know whether it was petrol powered or not
OK, if the name of mystery voiturette, of unknown means of propulsion, is in the first half of the alphabet, am I correct in assuming that the name is a single word, and not multiple words as either a proper name(s) (as in: Andre Citroen), or a company name (as in: Delaunay-Belleville, or: Cottin & Desgouttes, or: Bollee et fils)?

Sorry Arunas, I was typing this when you posted.
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
it is just one word. Not Multiple
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Post by: 4popoid on October 22, 2013, 04:26:30 PM
And is this single word rather long, say about 8 to 10 letters?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 22, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
8 letters
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Post by: Arunas on October 23, 2013, 12:50:23 AM
Astresse?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 23, 2013, 01:01:14 AM
No
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Post by: Wendax on October 23, 2013, 01:33:57 AM
The manufacturer existed from 1898 to 1900 and not before or afterwards?
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Post by: 4popoid on October 23, 2013, 02:08:31 AM
1900 Bouttier Voiturette?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 23, 2013, 03:09:08 AM
After a lot of failed attempts, 4popoid gets the point!!!!

Ladies and gentle people, let me present you, the 1900 Bouttier voiturette!

And congratulations to 4popoid
Title: Re: Solved: PN #514 -- 1900 Bouttier voiturette
Post by: Arunas on October 23, 2013, 03:38:33 AM
That would have been my next guess. Congrats!
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Post by: Wendax on October 23, 2013, 05:42:13 AM
Quote from: Arunas on October 23, 2013, 03:38:33 AM
That would have been my next guess. Congrats!
Mine too!  ;D
Title: Re: Solved: PN #514 -- 1900 Bouttier voiturette
Post by: targhediferro on October 23, 2013, 07:53:13 AM
I would have never guessed...
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