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Title: Solved ropat#23: Darracq Italiana - Società Italiana Automobili Darracq (SIAD)
Post by: ropat53 on April 17, 2013, 09:39:57 PM
What car does this engine belong to.
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Post by: ropat53 on April 25, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
Up for experts
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Post by: targhediferro on April 26, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Twelve in line...Hispano Suiza?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 26, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Not Hispano Suiza and not straight 12
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Post by: targhediferro on April 26, 2013, 03:11:57 PM
Of course it is a six...I don't know how I counted them.
First decade of XX century?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 26, 2013, 03:43:54 PM
Yes first decade
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Post by: D-type on April 26, 2013, 04:30:43 PM
Napier?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 26, 2013, 05:24:20 PM
Not Napier not British
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Post by: D-type on April 26, 2013, 05:45:01 PM
Is it a Spyker from 1903 then?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 26, 2013, 06:10:27 PM
Not Spyker not Dutch
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Post by: D-type on April 27, 2013, 10:41:27 AM
Well, that's my knowledge of Edwardian era sixes exhausted! :scratch:
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Post by: ropat53 on April 27, 2013, 11:00:13 AM
Come on, England and Holland weren't the only countries to make big six cylinder engines, keep on trying.
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Post by: targhediferro on April 27, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
Fiat?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 27, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
Not FIAT but you're getting closer
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Post by: 4popoid on April 27, 2013, 09:45:13 PM
How about a Diatto (or Diatto-Clement) from about 1908?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 27, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
Not Diatto-Clément, but the right countries.
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Post by: 4popoid on April 27, 2013, 11:49:33 PM
Aquila Italiana?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 28, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
No not Aquila Italiana. Read my previous answer
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Post by: D-type on April 28, 2013, 12:21:56 PM
Quote from: ropat53 on April 28, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
No not Aquila Italiana. Read my previous answer
?

Your previous answer says "Not Diatto-Clément, but the right countries."
Now, Aquila Italiana were from Torino  and  Diatto or Diatto-Clément also came from Torino.  So, are you saying that this manufacturer is Italian but not from Torino?
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Post by: targhediferro on April 28, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
You say...right countries!  Is this engine Italian-French?
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Post by: 4popoid on April 28, 2013, 02:37:33 PM
Florentia (licensee of Rochet-Schneider) from about 1907?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 28, 2013, 06:11:10 PM
Quote from: targhediferro on April 28, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
You say...right countries!  Is this engine Italian-French?
Yes these two countries are involved, but in different order.

Not Florentia (licensee of Rochet-Schneider)
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Post by: 4popoid on April 29, 2013, 01:48:49 AM
Well if I understand where this puzzle is going, it appears that we are looking for a French 6 cyl. engine, and possibly a French marque, but with some sort of Italian connection.  Therefore, let's try this scenario: In 1907 De Dietrich purchased Isotta-Fraschini, who produced chassis into which De Dietrich installed their engines, for sale as De Dietrichs.  In 1908 De Dietrich produced a six cylinder 70/80 HP engine.  I don't know if this engine was ever placed in a Isotta-Fraschini chassis, nor can I find a picture if the De Dietrich 6 cylinder, but on the chance that this might be the correct answer, I'll guess that the puzzle engine is a 1908 De Dietrich 6 cylinder 70/80 HP.
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Post by: ropat53 on April 29, 2013, 08:50:11 AM
It's not de Dietrich and Isotta Fraschini, but your on the right track.
One more hint it's French but made in Italy.
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Post by: targhediferro on April 29, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
Welleyes-Ceirano 1905?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 29, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
No not Welleyes-Ceirano
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Post by: 4popoid on April 29, 2013, 03:23:50 PM
Although I can't find any pictures, I understand that Brasier, of France, had a 6 cyl. engine in 1907.  From about 1906 to 1909 Fides, of Italy, had a license to build Brasier.  Could the puzzle engine be a Fides built Brasier?
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Post by: ropat53 on April 29, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
No not Fides or Brasier and they used the same French name but with some Italian words added.
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Post by: 4popoid on April 29, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
Società Anonima Italiana Darracq (SAID), later to become A.L.F.A, and still later Alfa-Romeo?
Title: Re: ropat#23
Post by: ropat53 on April 29, 2013, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: 4popoid on April 29, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
Società Anonima Italiana Darracq (SAID), later to become A.L.F.A, and still later Alfa-Romeo?
I'll take as correct even though you muddled up the letters and you didn't get the name quite right, it's Società Italiana Automobili Darracq (SIAD)
I quote Wikipedia:
'In 1906 the company expanded to Portello, a Milan suburb in Italy. They established Società Italiana Automobili Darracq (SIAD) through a license arrangement with Cavaliere Ugo Stella, an aristocrat from Milan. The business did not do well and Darracq shut it down in 1910.[5] A new partnership, Anonima Lombardo Fabbrica Automobili (ALFA), acquired the business, which in 1914 was taken over by Nicola Romeo, who created Alfa Romeo'.
Title: Re: Solved ropat#23: Darracq Italiana - Società Italiana Automobili Darracq (SIAD)
Post by: 4popoid on April 29, 2013, 06:09:49 PM
Thanks for the point.  Società Anonima Italiana Darracq (SAID) was lifted directly from an on line reference (site provided on request via PM).  I saw that it was different from Wikipedia, and guessed that this one might be more authoritative.  I guessed wrong.