Solved ropat#37: Gallia Victoria "Societá Italiana de Automobili Eletrici Gallia" Torino

[ropat53]

For one point marque and year?

[ropat53]

Up

[ropat53]

Up again for pros.

[4popoid]

Jeantaud about 1905?

[ropat53]

Electric but not Jeantaud.

[4popoid]

This seems weird, but I have discovered that A. Védrine produced an electric car from 1904 to 1910.  I haven't been able to find any pictures, but since you have stated that this car is electric, and with the prominence of A. Védrine, as a coachbuilder, in your other recent postings, I have to ask: Is this car a Védrine electric from about 1907?

[ropat53]

Not Védrine electric. I stated it was electric only because Jeantaud was mentioned.
This picture as a few others I have recently posted are form a book published in 1908 and many of the cars have bodies by Védrine, I don't know the coachbuilder of this car.
It was made under license from another country.

[4popoid]

The electric comment was very helpful, as many options were eliminated.  The licensed statement is also helpful, as none of the contemporary French electric designs, that I can find, closely resemble the puzzle car.  However, the puzzle car bears some resemblance to the American built Columbia, and I found a source that says that, at least at one time, Columbia had licensees in both France and the UK.  Unfortunately, the American company kept being reorganized, which included name changes, and, although the brand name Columbia remained constant through the period in question, I don't know if the French licensee's name, or the French brand name changed.  Therefore, I will have to go with the one reference point that I have (1897) and call the puzzle car a: L'Electromotion (or other licensed name of the Electric Vehicle Company, as the Columbia parent was called) from about 1907.

[ropat53]

Not Columbia or USA related, although these cars were marketed there under the same name and some sources mistakenly state they were made in USA.

[Wendax]

Gallia?

[ropat53]

Yes Gallia, now where was it made and by what company?
Locked for Wendax

[Wendax]

The Gallia was made by the Société l'Électrique, Paris 11e. That company was founded by Bernard Maurice Dufresne and Count Armand de Gontaut Biron. They produced electric and petrol cars from 1903 to 1908. The petrol cars were licence-built Dixi cars, which were sold under the name of Regina. I couldn't find any reference about the electric cars being licence-built, too. The electric cars were sold in America by the New York-based agency Gallia Electric Carriages, and were probably the only European electric cars of that time being marketed in the US.

[Allemano]

Im Juli 1905 wurde in Turin die Società Italiana Vetture Elettriche Gallia mit einem Kapital von 1 Million Lire gegründet. Ihr Firmensitz befand sich in der Vittorio Emanuele Nr. 9 in unmittelbarer Nähe der Ceirano-Werke. Die Baurechte am Gallia wurden auch der Société l'Electrique in Paris verkauft, die unter den Namen Gallia und Galliette ebenfalls Elektrofahrzeuge herstellte, sowie einen Regina genannten Benzinmotorwagen, Lizenz Dixi. Der Gallia wies zwei Elektromotoren an den hinteren Rädern auf, während die Galliette einen Frontmotor und eine Kardanwelle hatte. Die Société l'Eléctriques, die im Jahre 1908 den Automobilbau wieder aufgab, produzierte auch Fahrräder, Motorräder und Motordreiräder.

The Società Italiana Vetture Elettriche Gallia was founded in 1905 in Turin with a capital of 1 million lire. Their office was located in the Vittorio Emanuele # 9 in the near of Ceirano works. They sold the rights to the Société l'Electrique, that also (?) produced electric vehicles under the name Gallia and Galliette, and a Regina-called petrol engine car, license Dixi. The Gallia had two electric motors on the rear wheels, while the Galliette had a front engine and a propeller shaft. The Société l'electriques gave up building cars in 1908, also produced bicycles, motorcycles and motor tricycles.

[ropat53]

Yes Allemano that's what I wanted, but it was locked for Wendax, you posted as I was answering asking him to find the other country where the Gallia was made.
Solved, but Wendax deserves the point.

[Allemano]

Yes Allemano that's what I wanted, but it was locked for Wendax, you posted as I was answering asking him to find the other country where the Gallia was made.
Solved, but Wendax deserves the point.

I wasn't aware that Wendax hasn't already solved this puzzle. I only wanted to add something I've found in one of my sources.

[Wendax]

There seem to be different opinions who took the licence from whom. I have a source telling that the Italian Gallia was licence-built, whereas Allemano's source claims the Italian company as developer of the car. Other sources just mention the French company.