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Title: Solved: Wendax 1004 - 1949 Jeep-based van by Seyser & Gossler
Post by: Wendax on September 10, 2013, 01:07:56 PM
Sorry for the bad picture, but I think it is the only known one.

For one point, please respond and identify this car by naming its builder and the base car.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 17, 2013, 02:10:07 AM
up
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 18, 2013, 06:05:32 PM
I like this truck and have spent far too much time looking with no result.
So...... is it of European origin??

Bill
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 02:34:40 AM
Partially
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 19, 2013, 06:06:40 AM
American chassis, European body?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 06:20:53 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 19, 2013, 07:51:11 AM
I think I have been looking in the wrong time frame.

Is this a post WWII vehicle?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 08:04:31 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 19, 2013, 11:27:36 AM
Again chasing Rainbows.......

I have assumed all along the chassis was a light truck.
In reading again your original posting, you use the word "car" twice.

Is the basis vehicle not a truck but some marque of passenger car?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 19, 2013, 11:59:35 AM
I had another thought, another direction.

Just looking at the tyres, is this perhaps a Jeep chassis with a French car or truck body mounted on it?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 01:01:42 PM
It is indeed a Jeep chassis, the bodywork is not French though.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 19, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
Thank You, Kind Sir:

And so, off in yet another direction.
I think to a German speaking nation this time...................
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 02:17:43 PM
Yes, to make things short: it is a German body.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 19, 2013, 07:59:43 PM
Thank You as always, Gerd:

Even with all your great tips, I am firmly stuck on this one.

We have established that the chassis is a Jeep, presumably a WWII surplus vehicle.

I do not have any good reference materiel on the subject of German trucks 1945 to the present but I do have good books etc. on passenger cars of that period and I cannot match the appearance of the motor hood and the grille.

Is it fair to ask, then, is the motor hood and grille representative of a known marque or is it completely "coach built" and a unique "one off" design.???
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 20, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
I haven't seen this one in any books so far. It is probably a one-off, done by a coachbuilding workshop, none of well-known ones.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Bill Murray on September 20, 2013, 06:17:21 PM
I am really hoping someone can solve this one.

Looking at a lot of photos on the Internet, I have not found this one and not using Google SBI, I still think that the photo of this vehicle is not available on the Internet.

Looking at many, many photos of postwar German cars and trucks that may have been based on a Jeep chassis. I come up with nothing.

On the other hand, the closest I can come to looking at the puzzle photo, is it looks similar to the typical Buessing Nag profile.

Sadly, BN seems to not have produced a vehicle of this small size.

I can only hope that one of our German  members or someone who has a better knowledge of German vehicles can ID this one.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 20, 2013, 06:37:40 PM
The picture is online, but it is not easy to find. I reread the source and there were at least plans to build a small series of this Jeep conversion. There is no connection to any known car manufacturer.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on September 27, 2013, 02:17:14 AM
up again
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on October 08, 2013, 06:01:14 AM
I find some points in common with Borgward B1250...is there any connection?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on October 08, 2013, 06:02:03 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 12:33:32 PM
is the company which built this still around?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Yes, under a partially different name.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:07:29 PM
is it still a truck coachbuilder?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 01:17:33 PM
Yes, as well as the usual car repair jobs
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:20:12 PM
is it located in a bigger city?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:20:12 PM
is it located in a bigger city?
Well, if this city were in Hungary, it would be the second largest in the country going by the number of inhabitants.  In Germany it is within the 50 largest cities, but not one of the 10 largest.  ;)
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
so it hads a population of around 200,000. Erfurt?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 01:46:25 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
so it has a population of around 200,000.
Yes

Quote from: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Erfurt?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:49:22 PM
Mainz?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 02:06:57 PM
Lübeck?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 03:55:06 PM
Rostock?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 03:56:26 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 04:05:45 PM
Karosserie Volle?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 04:07:43 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
from Kassel?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 04:34:31 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 08, 2013, 05:36:47 PM
Karlsruhe?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 03:04:23 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 10, 2013, 11:06:08 AM
former East German city?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2013, 03:44:56 AM
is the population over 230,000?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 04:02:58 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2013, 05:03:59 AM
Oberhausen?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 05:08:39 AM
Yes, should be easy now  ;)
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Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 05:36:00 AM
Bergmann?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 05:49:26 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 10:27:40 AM
Krause?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 11:14:13 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2013, 11:18:24 AM
Pla:tz?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 11:27:37 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2013, 11:28:41 AM
Matten?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 11:29:12 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2013, 11:36:42 AM
Gbiorczyk?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 11:51:51 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 13, 2013, 04:22:34 AM
Köster?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:26:07 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: pnegyesi on December 13, 2013, 04:31:49 AM
Timmerhaus?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 04:44:27 AM
Kisters?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:55:07 AM
No and no
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 07:11:30 AM
Moelleken?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 07:40:14 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Sturzer & Ortmann?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 07:59:58 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 08:14:31 AM
Schubert?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 08:18:46 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 08:55:39 AM
My last guess---Poeplan?
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 09:07:37 AM
No. Don't give up, there aren't many possibilities left.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 10:16:26 AM
Erich Gossler & Sohne, or better at that time Seyser & Gossler,...finally I found it!   Thank you for the encouragement.
Title: Re: Wendax 1004
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
I told you it was easy.  :lmao:

A hard-earned point for you.
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 1004 - 1949 Jeep-based van by Seyser & Gossler
Post by: Bill Murray on December 13, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
My Highest Congratulations TGF!!!

Now, does anyone have any information at all on this particular vehicle?  All I can get on the Web are standard small delivery vehicles on Hanomag based chassis now that we know the name of the coach builder.

Bill
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 1004 - 1949 Jeep-based van by Seyser & Gossler
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
It was the first vehicle Seyser & Gossler built after the company was founded in 1949. According to a contemporary newspaper article (can be seen on the Gossler homepage) the Jeep chassis was elongated by 60 to 80 cm before the all new body was fitted. They planned to build several of those conversions.
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 1004 - 1949 Jeep-based van by Seyser & Gossler
Post by: Bill Murray on December 13, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
OK, found it and thanks!!

Bill