Solved: Wendax 809 - Zündapp 400 (or 800) cc prototype 1933

Wendax · February 24, 2013, 07:51:09 AM

Quote from: targhediferro on February 24, 2013, 07:30:45 AM
Is perhaps a Ford?

No, remember:

Quote from: Wendax on February 22, 2013, 02:27:28 AM
Quote from: targhediferro on February 21, 2013, 05:23:37 PM
Obscure or well known maker?
Well known, but not mainly for their cars. They only built one car in larger numbers, but also some prototypes of which the puzzle car is one.

targhediferro · February 24, 2013, 08:14:26 AM

My guess dipended by the fact I don't remember other firms that built in the '30s, fitting with your description.
Anyway I try with Rohr.

Wendax · February 24, 2013, 12:59:23 PM

No

mekubb · February 25, 2013, 01:35:06 PM

Perhaps the company is better known for its motorcycles ?

Wendax · February 25, 2013, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: mekubb on February 25, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Perhaps the company is better known for its motorcycles ?

Yes

mekubb · February 25, 2013, 03:15:53 PM

Zündapp ?

Bill Murray · February 25, 2013, 04:05:51 PM

How about an NSU-Fiat 508 Balilla of around 1934ish to start.

Wendax · February 25, 2013, 04:07:45 PM

Quote from: mekubb on February 25, 2013, 03:15:53 PM
Zündapp ?

Yes, locked for you to add the missing parts.

mekubb · February 25, 2013, 07:03:04 PM

I did find another pic from the puzzle car on the Zündapp-forum but couldn't access it. I believe the puzzle car is from around 1935 and the engineer was Ferdinand Porsche. May be it's Type 12 Zündapp ?

Bill Murray · February 25, 2013, 07:38:02 PM

Gentlemen, with total respect, I think we may have the wrong photo here.

There was, indeed, a Porsche/Zundapp prototype made in 1932.

One can find, as I did and as mekubb did, dozens of photos of this car. It bears no resemblance to the quiz question photo.

Based on my own research, I am pretty well convinced that the photo we are trying to identify is an NSU-Fiat.

I may be totally wrong, and I have not been able to find a similar photo of the quiz question photo but all of the ID points lead in that direction.

Just some thoughts.

targhediferro · February 26, 2013, 02:18:59 AM

I have no more ideas about this car; zundapp seems to have built only the Porsche project in the '30, and this is not that streamline beginner, while Nsu-Fiats were very similar to Fiats, so, unless this is a coachbuilt one, I don't think we have a Nsu-Fiat. Then, we have been told that the maker, known for other products, built a well known car only, together with some projects...and this doesn't fit with the makers you proposed.
It's a real puzzle.

Wendax · February 26, 2013, 02:21:23 AM

Quote from: mekubb on February 25, 2013, 07:03:04 PM
I did find another pic from the puzzle car on the Zündapp-forum but couldn't access it. I believe the puzzle car is from around 1935 and the engineer was Ferdinand Porsche. May be it's Type 12 Zündapp ?

It is not the Zündapp Typ 12 by Ferdinand Porsche, cf. http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13965.0 and http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=10790.0).

Unlocked and open for all experts again.

Wendax · February 26, 2013, 02:23:38 AM

Quote from: Bill Murray on February 25, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
Gentlemen, with total respect, I think we may have the wrong photo here.

There was, indeed, a Porsche/Zundapp prototype made in 1932.

One can find, as I did and as mekubb did, dozens of photos of this car. It bears no resemblance to the quiz question photo.

Based on my own research, I am pretty well convinced that the photo we are trying to identify is an NSU-Fiat.

I may be totally wrong, and I have not been able to find a similar photo of the quiz question photo but all of the ID points lead in that direction.

Just some thoughts.

As said before, it is not the Typ 12 and not by Ferdinand Porsche, but it definitely is a Zündapp prototype, not a NSU-Fiat.

Wendax · February 26, 2013, 02:29:28 AM

Quote from: targhediferro on February 26, 2013, 02:18:59 AM
I have no more ideas about this car; zundapp seems to have built only the Porsche project in the '30, and this is not that streamline beginner, while Nsu-Fiats were very similar to Fiats, so, unless this is a coachbuilt one, I don't think we have a Nsu-Fiat. Then, we have been told that the maker, known for other products, built a well known car only, together with some projects...and this doesn't fit with the makers you proposed.
It's a real puzzle.

Zündapp built several prototypes in the 1930s, the Porsche one being the most famous, but we had another one here before: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=17529.0

The well-known Zündapp I was referring to wasn't built in the 1930s, but from 1957 to 1958: the Janus (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=21907.0).

targhediferro · February 26, 2013, 02:37:18 AM

Ok, now it's clear...I understood that the well known car was contemporary with this prototype.

Wendax · March 05, 2013, 02:38:02 AM

The Pros will put this one to rest.

woodinsight · March 05, 2013, 07:19:27 AM

Coachwork by Reutter and the engineer responsible is perhaps Fritz Neumeyer?

Wendax · March 05, 2013, 07:22:12 AM

Neither Reutter nor Neumeyer

Allemano · March 08, 2013, 01:41:18 AM

1933 Zündapp 400 prototype engineered by Richard Küchen designed by his brother Xaver. The book I have mentiones a water-cooled 4-cyl 800cc boxer engine, though.
For the coachbuilder I don't have a clue... Could it be Wendler?

Wendax · March 08, 2013, 02:16:17 AM

Quote from: Allemano on March 08, 2013, 01:41:18 AM
1933 Zündapp 400 prototype engineered by Richard Küchen designed by his brother Xaver. The book I have mentiones a water-cooled 4-cyl 800cc boxer engine, though.
For the coachbuilder I don't have a clue... Could it be Wendler?

All correct so far, except for the coachbuilder. This two-seater was based upon the Zündapp van which had a 400 cc two-cylinder boxer engine. If your book (which I think is the same I have) mentions a 800 cc unit, it could be a Küchen engine.

Locked for you to find the coachbuilder.

Allemano · March 08, 2013, 02:30:12 AM

The design of the curved vents alongside the bonnet resembles those Hebmüller built on various cars...

Wendax · March 08, 2013, 02:36:42 AM

Not by Hebmüller. It was done by a less known coachbuilder which is maily recognized for its post-WW2 bus coachwork.

Allemano · March 08, 2013, 02:41:22 AM

Oje...

Can it be found online?

Wendax · March 08, 2013, 02:43:46 AM

Yes, and I am pretty sure you have been at that site before.

Allemano · March 08, 2013, 03:27:31 AM

I'm afraid I'm stuck...

Leave it to the others please!

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Solved: Wendax 809 - Zündapp 400 (or 800) cc prototype 1933