Author Topic: Solved: Wendax 989 - Neiman (Read 1319 times)

Wendax · « **on:** August 25, 2013, 02:02:24 AM »

A low one.

For one point, please respond and identify this car and the car it evolved into.

Wendax · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:36:53 PM »

Wendax · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2013, 03:30:32 AM »

up again

targhediferro · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2013, 03:51:33 AM »

Tatra?

Wendax · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2013, 04:05:54 AM »

ropat53 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2013, 11:48:26 AM »

1931 Neiman. This prototype was the template for the three-wheeler Framo Piccolo. Built by Abram Neiman who had worked with Ernst Neumann-Neander.

"NEIMAN. Abraham Neiman, a creative Jewish engineer with a German passport had worked together with Neumann-Neander and decided to produce his own little car in 1931, an inauspicious year to be sure, a year awash in bankruptcies with unemployment rolls and dispair rising. The little 3 wheeler was a decent machine indeed, featuring 2 seats, 3 wheels (2 up front) but power was strangely supplied by a British Triumph/Coventry 600 cc- 4-stroke Twin. It was this engine and its lack of reliability which did the venture in. Triumph/Nürnberg had severed relations with Triumph/Coventry for exactly that reason in 1929. Herr Neiman however continued onward and became hugely successful as the inventor lof lockable ignition-systems and the development of rubber-band suspensions which became de rigeuer with German side-car manufacturers."

Wendax · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2013, 11:58:59 AM »

Yes, it is the 1931 Neiman, and it finally led to a Framo, but not the Piccolo. Locked for you to find the right Framo.

ropat53 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2013, 06:34:14 PM »

It has to be the Framo Stromer, because the Piccolo was a four wheel car.
I was only able to find one picture of the puzzle car in a German site and something went wrong with the Internet translation.

Wendax · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2013, 12:33:55 PM »

Yes, correct. One more point for you.

ftg3plus4 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2013, 11:15:23 AM »

Georgano seems to mention this as "Neimann." I assume "Neiman" is actually the correct spelling?

Are there any other pictures of this available?

Wendax · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2013, 12:13:18 PM »

Although there were both ways of spelling, Neiman and Neimann, found even in contemporary literature, nowadays he usually is referred to as Abram (not Abraham) Neiman. I don't know of any other pictures available online. There are of course some more pictures in literature.

ftg3plus4 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2013, 09:37:14 AM »

Can the picture be featured larger and/or without what appears to be a blocked license plate?

Wendax · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2013, 03:17:19 PM »

Quote from: ftg3plus4 on September 14, 2013, 09:37:14 AM

Can the picture be featured larger and/or without what appears to be a blocked license plate?

That's how I found it.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2019, 05:13:06 AM »

I have some interesting news for this one.

As I found several photos and magazine clips of the real Neimann Threewheeler I am not too sure now if this really is a Neimann.

The one I found featured a conventional slanted radiator mask front very much a like the early Morgan four wheelers.

Spould I post photos of it here or do a new puzzle?

Maybe he built two cars?

Maybe the puzzle photo just shows the front of a Hercules like the one below?

Wendax · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2019, 05:45:58 AM »

Abram Neiman built several three-wheeled cars:
- a 1929 streamlined prototype with cycle wings, license number IZ-0571
- a 1930 streamlined prototype with conventional fenders for NSU, license number IIIE-013
- a 1930 Cabrio-Limousine with conventional radiator was built on that chassis by NSU, license number IIIE-013
- a 1931 streamlined prototype with conventional fenders and Triumph engine, license number IZ-55466 ==> the puzzle car
- a 1932 conventional prototype with radiator mask and DKW engine, probably built on the same chassis as the puzzle car, because it carries the same license number.
The last car led to the 1933 Framo Stromer.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2019, 06:07:34 AM »

Ok, I see - this IS your topic

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- a 1932 conventional prototype with radiator mask and DKW engine, probably built on the same chassis as the puzzle car, because it carries the same license number.

Indeed - mine also has the licence plate IZ 55466.
So this one below was the last step that led to the Framo?

Wendax · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2019, 06:18:14 AM »

Yes, a rear view below:

grobmotorix · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2019, 06:19:43 AM »

grobmotorix · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2019, 06:22:48 AM »

The two original 1932 sources both claim the name to be Neimann.

Neiman still looks a bit awkward to me.

Wendax · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2019, 06:37:39 AM »

But Neiman is correct, as he was born in Bessarabia (cf. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Neiman).

grobmotorix · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2019, 06:40:29 AM »

Ok, now I stop being a kind of a nuisance

Maybe he germanized his name for the newspapers or they just made a mistake.

Thank you for all the detailed information!

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Author Topic: Solved: Wendax 989 - Neiman (Read 1319 times)