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Title: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: @re on June 04, 2008, 04:03:21 PM
Recognize this?

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Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: @re on July 17, 2008, 05:50:56 AM
Rookie clearance sale - food for Experts.
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: max on July 17, 2008, 07:13:28 PM
If it weren't for the rear lights, I'd say NSU Sport Prinz
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: @re on July 18, 2008, 05:53:46 AM
I follow you on that one, but I have not found any evidence that the two are related.
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: jotage21 on July 19, 2008, 03:04:26 PM
German?
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: @re on July 19, 2008, 05:26:09 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: D-type on July 19, 2008, 07:02:22 PM
BMW 700?
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: @re on July 20, 2008, 06:17:28 PM
No, not BMW-related, either.
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: @re on July 23, 2008, 06:20:10 AM
How about you, Pros? You probably know this one, right?
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: Ehhxekt on October 07, 2008, 11:16:31 AM
I guess this is the rear-engined Wartburg 313/2 prototype.
Title: Re: What car #311
Post by: @re on October 07, 2008, 12:03:53 PM
I guess that you're not guessing ;)

Bravo! 2 points for that one, it lasted four months...

...which means you're out of the Rookie group. Congratulations!  :applause:
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Ultra on October 07, 2008, 12:28:55 PM
And now you have been promoted to Expert AutoPuzzler!!!!

:grad:

Nice work!!

:cheer:
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 08, 2008, 04:48:07 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Old/applause.gif)
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Carnut on June 22, 2011, 09:03:42 AM
Another view:

Title: Solved TGF-172: Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: targhediferro on July 31, 2013, 09:53:39 AM
Can you identify this car?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: mekubb on July 31, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
Japanese ? Mazda ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Hiawatha on July 31, 2013, 03:14:50 PM
German?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on July 31, 2013, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: mekubb on July 31, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
Japanese ? Mazda ?
No
Quote from: Hiawatha on July 31, 2013, 03:14:50 PM
German?
Yes
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: ropat53 on August 02, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
Volkswagen
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: qwaszx on August 02, 2013, 05:02:29 PM
Michelotti design?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 02, 2013, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: ropat53 on August 02, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
Volkswagen
No.
Quote from: qwaszx on August 02, 2013, 05:02:29 PM
Michelotti design?

I don't know, but I think not.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: frederick59 on August 03, 2013, 03:15:40 AM
BMW?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 03, 2013, 03:17:36 AM
Not BMW.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: mekubb on August 03, 2013, 03:23:49 AM
Still existing marque ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Lofotleif on August 03, 2013, 03:54:52 AM
Borgward ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 03, 2013, 08:26:36 AM
Quote from: mekubb on August 03, 2013, 03:23:49 AM
Still existing marque ?
No more.
Quote from: Lofotleif on August 03, 2013, 03:54:52 AM
Borgward ?
Not Borgward.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Hiawatha on August 03, 2013, 08:35:08 AM
NSU?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: mekubb on August 03, 2013, 11:23:13 AM
DKW ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 03, 2013, 04:13:19 PM
Not NSU and not DKW.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: ropat53 on August 03, 2013, 07:16:37 PM
Glas 1300
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 04, 2013, 02:33:50 AM
Not a Glas.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: mekubb on August 04, 2013, 04:04:59 AM
Did they produce more models ? Or only this one ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 04, 2013, 04:24:36 AM
They produced several models.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Lofotleif on August 04, 2013, 05:33:39 AM
Hansa?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 04, 2013, 08:07:12 AM
Not an Hansa.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: fgsavoia on August 05, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Italian? By Savio?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 06, 2013, 02:33:30 AM
Quote from: targhediferro on July 31, 2013, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: mekubb on July 31, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
Japanese ? Mazda ?
No
Quote from: Hiawatha on July 31, 2013, 03:14:50 PM
German?
Yes
So, not italian Italian, anyway, not by Savio.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Hiawatha on August 06, 2013, 02:41:04 AM
German car,Italian body?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Limo on August 06, 2013, 06:00:42 AM
Goliath?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 06, 2013, 08:17:21 AM
Quote from: Hiawatha on August 06, 2013, 02:41:04 AM
German car,Italian body?
The car is completely german, but I don't know the designer who could perhaps be Italian.
Quote from: Limo on August 06, 2013, 06:00:42 AM
Goliath?
Not a Goliath.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Lofotleif on August 13, 2013, 08:22:45 AM
Neckar ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: spider on August 13, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
Karmann ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: ropat53 on August 14, 2013, 01:26:18 PM
Lloyd Alexander probably designed by Frua.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 19, 2013, 01:50:44 PM
Sorry for the Kate replay, I was on holiday. Not a Lloyd and not by Frua.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: mekubb on August 19, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Wartburg ?
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 20, 2013, 07:07:23 AM
Ta-da!!! Locked for a guess only!
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: mekubb on August 20, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
Ta-da... ;)  It is a Wartburg 313-2 HS. They also made a hardtop, see attachments.
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: Carnut on August 20, 2013, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: mekubb on August 20, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
They also made a hardtop, see attachments.

And see here as well!:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=4342.0
Title: Re: TGF-172
Post by: targhediferro on August 20, 2013, 05:41:12 PM
Well done! A nice roadster indeed, isn't it?
Title: Re: Solved TGF-172: Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Wendax on August 21, 2013, 02:20:55 AM
It should be merged with the other puzzle as the hardtop was a removable one. Four 313-2 HS have been built, one of them was crashed, but the drivetrain still exists. The other three are known to exist, one of them has been converted from the mid-engine layout to FWD Wartburg 353.
Title: Re: Solved TGF-172: Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Carnut on August 21, 2013, 03:51:21 AM
The picture in the earlier puzzle looks like a removeable hardtop now you mention it.  But the rear lights are different!
I understand the convertible did not survive but at least one of the coupes did and is currently being or has recently been restored; pictures below.  This has the same rear lights as the convertible but seems to be an FHC so now we have pictures of 3 different cars..
The convertible was also available in yellow but with the same driver!:
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Wendax on August 21, 2013, 05:19:09 AM
The original puzzle car is a survivor that had to be kept alive through more than 25 years of socialism. The rear lights were substituted by standard rear lights for trailers.

The car in restoration isn't a coupe either, but a roadster with hardtop, as can be seen below:
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Carnut on August 21, 2013, 05:25:30 AM
I did wonder if it was an FHC, looking at the gap where the top joined the body.
Were any of them FHCs then or were all four convertibles with hardtops?
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Wendax on August 21, 2013, 05:33:52 AM
I don't know of any FHCs. The Wartburg 313 and 312 HT were just roadsters with removable hardtops, too.
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #311 - 1963 Wartburg 313-2 HS
Post by: Wendax on March 08, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
Two pictures from the times of everyday use: