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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: sixtee5cuda on October 21, 2013, 09:42:07 AM

Title: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1919 DMG Daimler Allrad Zugwagen 4WD 4WS prototype
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 21, 2013, 09:42:07 AM
For one point, provide the year and make of this unusual truck
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 27, 2013, 10:57:19 PM
Up!  Easy Expert point?
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: Bill Murray on October 28, 2013, 08:24:52 AM
Easy for you to say Amigo 8).

For starters, is this a German origin truck?

Bill
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 28, 2013, 08:26:06 AM
Yes, this is a German truck
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: D-type on October 28, 2013, 08:56:01 AM
Road/rail ?
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 28, 2013, 09:13:09 AM
I do not know if this was intended for road/rail use.  It is old enough, it may have been allowed on the roads looking like this.
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: Bill Murray on October 28, 2013, 10:52:46 AM
Not easy this one!!

Observations that maybe someone else can use as well as me.

I think it is a Ballast Truck, based on the high, small cargo compartment that apparently does not tip.
The front fenders/mudguards appear to be hinged and in the "up" position in this photo, presumably for tire clearance when turning.
I have not figured out why the 4 wheel steering is necessary yet.  If used on a railroad, that would seem unnecessary.

That's it for now.

Bill
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: Bill Murray on October 29, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
Well, I think I found it.

After chasing a half dozen exotic and rare German truck brands, I finally gave up and went looking for the "obvious".

From what I found, this is a Mercedes "Dernburg" truck and the year stated is 1907 although it looks more modern than that to me.  On the other hand, it seems this particular truck may have been a one off prototype for the Imperial German Army prior to WWI.  It was also said to be the "model" for a small number of similar vehicles sent to the former German Colonies.

Unfortunately, I have not come up with any more details on this particular truck and I still am a bit baffled by the type of tyres it uses but I will keep on looking a bit more.

Bill
Title: Re: WTH # 278
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 29, 2013, 08:05:02 AM
The point goes to Bill Murray for the correct answer.  I only asked for make and year, because that was all the information I had.  I didn't even figure out what "Dernburg" was.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: Wendax on October 29, 2013, 08:15:01 AM
The Dernburg-Wagen (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=1872) was named after Bernhard Dernburg, German Secretary of State for Colonial Affairs, who drove that car for quite a while in the German colony of South West Africa (now Namibia).
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: Bill Murray on October 29, 2013, 08:22:59 AM
Yup, that is the "Colonial" version and apparently all of them were named Dernburg after that gentleman.
To save time, if you Google "Dernburg Wagen" which I did about an hour ago, you can get the whole story in 3-4 languages.

Bill
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: Craig Gillingham on October 29, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
I'm sure this is the 1919 Daimler type DZ, the four wheel steer prototype. The 1907 Dernburg was a very different machine, as Wendax states.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: Wendax on October 29, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
I agree with Craig about the year and it not being a Dernburg. Oswald has it as the Daimler KDI, an artillery tractor from 1917 The name Mercedes wasn't applied to the Daimler trucks until the fusion with Benz in 1926.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: Craig Gillingham on October 29, 2013, 04:03:06 PM
The earlier version was the Krupp-Daimler KD1 from 1917-1919
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 29, 2013, 06:00:03 PM
I found a Daimler-sourced page indicating it is in fact a 1907 Dernburg, but I will look into it further after work.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: grobmotorix on October 29, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
It is not a Mercedes Dernburg but a:
DMG (Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft) prototype Allrad-Zugwagen.

The version you´ve shown with the puzzle pic is a little different to the standard version.
The normal version was called  Allrad-Zugwagen DZ1, which was produced in higher numbers as can be seen here and did not feature AWS:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: grobmotorix on October 29, 2013, 06:38:32 PM
Here´s another photo of one of the three 1919 DMG Daimler Allrad Zugwagen prototypes.

Only three were built, the internal name was "Werksschlepper".
They featured all wheel drive, all wheel steering, 8-gearbox from the DZ1.
Engine: M1154, 22/50PS, 5700ccm, bore 110mm stroke 150mm, 50HP at 1200r/min, 4 tons, 28 km/h...
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1907 Mercedes-Dernburg lorry with 4WD and 4WS
Post by: grobmotorix on October 29, 2013, 07:01:56 PM
I´ve found a photo of the chassis showing your version of the 22/50PS Werksschlepper prototype using the wider wheels:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1919 DMG Daimler Allrad Zugwagen 4WD 4WS prototype
Post by: grobmotorix on October 30, 2013, 02:30:47 AM
Your online source simply was wrong with connecting the puzzle photo with the older DMG Zugmaschine, which featured AWD, but not AWS and looked different. :D Do I get a point for this...? ;)
Just to prove my words, here is a photo of a 1907 DMG Allrad-Motor-Zugwagen 60/80PS and of the 1912 version with 100PS:

Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 278 - 1919 DMG Daimler Allrad Zugwagen 4WD 4WS prototype
Post by: sixtee5cuda on October 30, 2013, 08:12:43 AM
A point for Grob, with the correct identification.