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Title: barrett's #380 - Solved - J D Hart's Ford-based trials car
Post by: barrett on November 04, 2014, 07:12:05 PM
Who built this car, and what is it based on?
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: barrett on November 20, 2014, 01:31:04 PM
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Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: barrett on November 30, 2014, 07:35:30 AM
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Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Wendax on November 30, 2014, 07:58:49 AM
It is Ford-based
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Post by: nicanary on November 30, 2014, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: Wendax on November 30, 2014, 07:58:49 AM
It is Ford-based

Ford V8 flathead, I reckon!
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Wendax on December 01, 2014, 05:45:22 AM
No, 1938 Ford of 1498 cc capacity, which doesn't sound as if it were the original engine.
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: nicanary on December 01, 2014, 06:44:04 AM
Quote from: Wendax on December 01, 2014, 05:45:22 AM
No, 1938 Ford of 1498 cc capacity, which doesn't sound as if it were the original engine.

1498cc would tally with the first Cortina engines, but this seems extremely unlikely. The puzzle photo looks like it's from the late 40s/early50s. The original Consul engine was 1508cc - this was introduced in 1950 and maybe this car has a linered-down engine from that model. A bit of an odd thing to do, when the flathead V8 was readily available.
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: barrett on December 03, 2014, 05:07:09 AM
Right, Ford-based special of the very early '50s. Not a V8. I'm surprised the registration still shows up anywhere, I would have thought it scrapped long before the computerisation of DVLA records!
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: nicanary on December 03, 2014, 06:13:20 AM
Quote from: barrett on December 03, 2014, 05:07:09 AM
Right, Ford-based special of the very early '50s. Not a V8. I'm surprised the registration still shows up anywhere, I would have thought it scrapped long before the computerisation of DVLA records!

It could have been re-allocated as an "age-related" plate. I think if the present engine is quoted as 1498cc then it's a Kent motor from the 1960s. I have a hunch the present wearer of the plate is not the same car.  :'(
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
But it is listed as a 1938 car:

Vehicle details
12 Month rate: £0.00
Vehicle make :FORD
Date of first registration :02 March 1938
Year of manufacture :1938
Cylinder capacity (cc) :1498cc
CO₂Emissions :Not available
Fuel type :PETROL
Export marker :No
Vehicle status :SORN in place
Vehicle colour :BLUE
Vehicle type approval :Not available
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: nicanary on December 03, 2014, 06:59:23 AM
Quote from: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
But it is listed as a 1938 car:

Vehicle details
12 Month rate: £0.00
Vehicle make :FORD
Date of first registration :02 March 1938
Year of manufacture :1938
Cylinder capacity (cc) :1498cc
CO₂Emissions :Not available
Fuel type :PETROL
Export marker :No
Vehicle status :SORN in place
Vehicle colour :BLUE
Vehicle type approval :Not available

Thanks. I couldn't be bothered! I can't find any evidence of a Ford engine of that size in that period, so possibly someone has replaced it with a later engine in order to keep the car running.
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Carnut on December 03, 2014, 07:32:43 AM
Quote from: nicanary on December 03, 2014, 06:13:20 AM
Quote from: barrett on December 03, 2014, 05:07:09 AM
Right, Ford-based special of the very early '50s. Not a V8. I'm surprised the registration still shows up anywhere, I would have thought it scrapped long before the computerisation of DVLA records!

It could have been re-allocated as an "age-related" plate. I think if the present engine is quoted as 1498cc then it's a Kent motor from the 1960s. I have a hunch the present wearer of the plate is not the same car.  :'(

Registration numbers are never re-allocated except by special request and very much persuasion with proof that there is a very good reason to do so..
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 03, 2014, 07:49:18 AM
It's a Ford Ten based special built for trials...it was built in the North of England and bought by Mr. J.D. Hart to run in the 1951\52 season.
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 07:59:39 AM
Aaah, another one from that online archive quite en vogue nowadays.  ;D
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: nicanary on December 03, 2014, 08:19:08 AM
Quote from: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 07:59:39 AM
Aaah, another one from that online archive quite en vogue nowadays.  ;D

We shouldn't complain - it's been a new source for AP. Personally, I can't be bothered to look through it, but these photos make great puzzles. That car looked too big to me to be a 10hp sidevalve, I thought it was a V8.
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 08:21:31 AM
I don't complain! I was using some other archives myself until all puzzles from there were solved instantly by another puzzler who worked himself through that one, too.  ;)
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: nicanary on December 13, 2014, 05:53:01 AM
Bumped for a reply to post #12.
Title: Re: barrett's #380
Post by: barrett on December 13, 2014, 06:47:07 AM
First time I've been able to check my files - yes, it's J D Hart's ford-based trials car!