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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2014 => Topic started by: Iluvatar on September 21, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
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What is this car? On point if you give me the make and the driver...
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Up!
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I've seen this pictured somewhere recently - but where?
Is it Australian?
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Far from Australia...
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This is frustrating - I know I've seen a picture recently. Next try - EMW?
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:shakehead:
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Italian ?
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Italian ?
Yes, the car is italian, altough modified abroad and raced abroad i this picture...
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Alfa Romeo ?
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Alfa Romeo ?
Not an Alfa Romeo...
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Maserati 4CL ?
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Maserati 4CL ?
I don't know if it's a 4CL... but it's for sure a Maserati...
Now the difficult part of the puzzle... locked for you...
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Non-Italian driver ?
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Non-Italian driver ?
:nod:
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Sommer ?
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Sommer ?
Less known...
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French driver ?
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French driver ?
I've found more informations about the car... and in fact I've found that the driver was born in Italy, although he lived and raced in another country.
Sorry for the previews replies... I leave it locked for you until your next reply...
The car is indeed a Maserati 4CLT.
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Could it be that he lived in Argentina ?
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Could it be that he lived in Argentina ?
Yes!
I leave it locked for you until your next reply...
Unlocked
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Clemar Bucci ?
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Enrico Platé?
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Clemar Bucci ?
:shakehead:
Enrico Platé?
:shakehead:
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Ettore Chimeri ?
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Ettore Chimeri ?
:shakehead:
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Alejandro De Tomaso?
(or was he an Italian who ended up in Argentina?)
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Alejandro De Tomaso?
(or was he an Italian who ended up in Argentina?)
The other way around - he was an Italy-domiciled Argentinian!
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Marimon ?
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Marimon ?
:shakehead:
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I think we are looking for someone who raced in Argentina rather than in Europe.
Oscar Galvez?
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I think we are looking for someone who raced in Argentina rather than in Europe.
Oscar Galvez?
Yes, I guess he raced only in Argentina...
Not Oscar Galvarez...
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So to be clear : we are looking for a Argentinian racing driver, living in Italy but racing mainly in Argentina ??
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So to be clear : we are looking for a Argentinian racing driver, living in Italy but racing mainly in Argentina ??
You are looking for an Argentinian racing driver who was born in Italy, but lived and raced in Argentina...
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Pros?
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I've been following this puzzle since it was first posted - I don't know the answer, however. The photo is distorted by shutter speed and possibly an attempt to "pan", but obviously it is clearly a Maserati. What confused me was the size of the air intake, which is unlike any normal Maserati model, but maybe it was enlarged to cope with the extreme heat of South America. The twin exhaust pipes raise a puzzle - all 4CLT models had a 1.5-litre 4-cylinder engine with one exhaust. The following A6GCM 2-litre 6-cylinder cars had twin exhausts, but this car is earlier. I think it could be a car which was owned by Scuderia Achille Varzi who in 1950 fitted an engine from an A6GCS sports car into an old 4CLT. It actually won at Angouleme in 1950 driven by Fangio, but I can find no photo to prove my claim.
The driver is almost impossible to see in the photo - nearly all drivers for the Scuderia were from Argentina or Uruguay, although others such as Toni Branca (Switzerland) and Bira (Siam/Thailand) drove from time to time. That part of South America has a very large ethnic Italian population, and Italian names are commonplace. This is a bit of a guess - Adriano Malusardi?
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I've found on the web some informations about this driver, but always with another car...
Indeed he is not famous for this race and this car...
Maybe if you find the location and the year of the race it can help you to identify him...
The engine should be the original 1.5 liters 4CLT without superchargers.
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I don't know what Maserati model it is, but it doesn't look like a 4CLT to me.
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Italo Brizio ?
Before you answer that, I've discovered a name that fits -Victorio Rosa. He came over from Italy in the 30s as a mechanic to Alfa Romeo, and stayed to open a garage and live there. He raced an Hispano-Suiza pre-war.
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Although with some differences the car is a Maserati 4CLT, modified in South America.
The driver is not Victorio Rosa nor Adriano Malusardi.
He was not linked with Alfa Romeo or other italian makes... he rent that Maserati only for that race.
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You have been very helpful with advice. I cannot let this one go without a fight, although I think this driver is so obscure it will probably be solved by one of our South American puzzle members. I will take your hint, and try to solve by elimination.
Is the track Mar del Plata?
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Carlo Maria Pintacuda?
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I know I said I was going to try to find the answer by asking questions, but I may have had a breakthrough. A car dealer by the name of Giuseppe Viannini lived in Buenos Aires, but was born in Italy, and raced a Maserati which was called a "Viannini 4CLT" , presumably because of modifications. It is listed as being chassis #1608, which is missing from Maserati records, but it is known that a third 4CLT was delivered to the ACA for which no official records exist. Could this be that car?
Anyway, is the driver Viannini?
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None of the names you posted are right... but I cannot exclude that the puzzle car could be the "Viannini 4CLT"... I never heard about this car...
Another clue... ;)
The race is quite important... and if you search for it on the web often the puzzle driver is not listed...
Try to find the race and the driver will come soon...
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Pascual Puopolo?
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Pascual Puopolo?
No.
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Is the race in Buenos Aires?
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Is the race in Buenos Aires?
:nod:
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I assume the race is in the period 1946/1952. I have checked all race results for Buenos Aires for those years and can find nothing definite. Maybe it was Arialdo Ruggeri? He was born in Italy, but I have no idea where he lived.
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I assume the race is in the period 1946/1952. I have checked all race results for Buenos Aires for those years and can find nothing definite. Maybe it was Arialdo Ruggeri? He was born in Italy, but I have no idea where he lived.
Wrong period!
And not Arialdo Ruggeri...
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Carlos Fortunati Firpo?
You say that the time period is wrong, and I am assuming that the race is the Buenos Aires GP, a Formula Libre race run alongside the World Championship race. There was no BA GP in 1953, so I reckon this is the 1954 race. That could be an old 4CLT fitted with an A6GCM motor which would answer my problem with the 2 exhausts.
So hold my answer above - could it be Alberto Uria?
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The above is rubbish - Uria was from Uruguay. I still ask if it's Firpo?
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...There was no BA GP in 1953...
???
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Carlos Fortunati Firpo?
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So hold my answer above - could it be Alberto Uria?
No Uria and no Firpo...
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...There was no BA GP in 1953...
???
I have found
1953 -
18 January - Argentine GP, Buenos Aires where the car could have competed if it had been re-engined (A6G or enlarged 4CL with the supercharger removed)
1 February - Gran Premio de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires
1954 -
17 January - Argentine GP, Buenos Aires - It's unlikely that it would have been entered that late
31 January - Gran Premio de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires
Starting with the least likely, was it the 1953 Argentine GP ?
and could the driver be Jorge Daponte, who is listed as running in the 1954 GP but not 1953
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My previous source of information did not provide results for a 1953 BA GP so I assumed that it was not held that year. I was obviously wrong. The answer to the puzzle is - Remo Gamalero.
He was born in Genoa, died in Spain, but lived and raced in Argentina. He rented the car for the race (it is called the Argentine GP on a website, but I think it is the 1953 Buenos Aires GP which was a Formula Libra race), and it is claimed that the car was a Maserati 4CLT 1.5-litre supercharged. I still don't agree with that, but it doesn't matter any more!
Great puzzle - thank you. More please!
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Here's a photo of a standard Maserati 4CLT - note the exhaust pipe (single) and the shape of the air intake.
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And just to be a nuisance, here's an early Maserati A6GCM with the 2-litre 6-cylinder engine and two exhausts. Note the larger air intake.
It's all a bit odd. I reckon the car raced by Gamalero had been modified in Argentina in some way.
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My previous source of information did not provide results for a 1953 BA GP so I assumed that it was not held that year. I was obviously wrong. The answer to the puzzle is - Remo Gamalero.
He was born in Genoa, died in Spain, but lived and raced in Argentina. He rented the car for the race (it is called the Argentine GP on a website, but I think it is the 1953 Buenos Aires GP which was a Formula Libra race), and it is claimed that the car was a Maserati 4CLT 1.5-litre supercharged. I still don't agree with that, but it doesn't matter any more!
Great puzzle - thank you. More please!
That's it! :applause:
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picture and caption...
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My poor Italian translation tells me that says "old and rather modified", which is absolutely true! The 4CLT was really obsolete by then.
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My poor Italian translation tells me that says "old and rather modified", which is absolutely true! The 4CLT was really obsolete by then.
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