I thought it was the right time again for a mindbending headscratcher. Here it is, a group puzzle following the Cars and Places pattern. As expected there are 12 car pictures and 12 pictures of locations. These range from "worldwide known" to "unknown to all of us". So in some cases you will have to know the car and some details to find the right place, in other cases the place might help you to identify the car. The connections are not always straightforward, of course. I think the puzzle is tough enough not to impose a limit on the number of answers allowed. One point for each correct pair including the connection I had in mind.
Have fun, I surely will. :)
The cars:
The places:
The pairs found so far:
Car 1: Spijkstaal Elektro built in Spijkenisse - Place 6 : Euro bridges in Spijkenisse (oko94)
Car 2: 1939 Cadillac of Maréchal Pétain - Place 7: Palais de Congrès in Vichy (4popoid)
Car 3: Spacke cyclecar - Place 8: Fred Spacke house in Indianapolis (4popoid)
Car 4: BMW 1600-2 Elektrowagen - Place 2: Olympiastadion in Munich (4popoid)
Car 5: Verona 3,5 Cabriolet - Place 11: Juliet's balcony in Verona (Ehhxekt)
Car 6: VEL Renaud - Place 5: Passage Cottin in Paris (Oguerrerob)
Car 7: Holka-DKW F8 Landi – Place 1: Cable cars built for the Landi exhibition in 1939 (4popoid)
Car 8: Alfa Romeo Alfasud Valentino - Place 12: Rudolph Valentino's house in Whitley Heights (targhediferro)
Car 9: Simmeringer Motor-Draisine - Place 4: Zentralfriedhof in Wien-Simmering (Tom_I)
Car 10: Hendon Racing Replica of a Jaguar XJ13 - Place 3: Hendon Town Hall, England (ValkyrieGT)
Car 11: La Licorne Type 164 LR - Place 10: Stade de la Licorne in Amiens (Tom_I)
Car 12: Daimler Dart - Place 9: River Dart (4popoid)
Car8.jpg is Volkswagen SP2 with place3.jpg Sao Paulo, Brasil.
Sorry, neither of your guesses is correct.
Car10.jpg is a 1974 Hendon Racing replica of a Jaguar XJ13. Place3.jpg is Hendon Town Hall, England.
Quote from: ValkyrieGT on October 27, 2014, 01:36:38 AM
Car10.jpg is a 1974 Hendon Racing replica of a Jaguar XJ13. Place3.jpg is Hendon Town Hall, England.
First correct pair found!
This seems to be a Premier League puzzle.
It certainly looks like one.
I have hardly got anywhere with this so far, apart from Car 11, which I think is a La Licorne Type 164 LR, and Place 10, which is the Stade de la Licorne in Amiens, France.
That's a fine beginning for many hours of sleuthing to come. :)
Car 3: 1913 Spacke cyclecar mfg. in Indianapolis, IN, USA - Place 8: Fred Spacke house in Indianapolis
Car 4: BMW 1602 Electro Antrieb (E10) prototype introduced at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games - Place 2: 1972 Olympic Stadium in Munich designed by Frei Otto.
Car 7: Swiss produced Holka-DKW F8 (Landi) by Holka of Zurich, from about 1939 – Place 1: Cable cars (gondolas) installed in Zurich in 1939
Car 1 : Spijkstaal Elektro Bestelwagen built in Spijkenisse, The Netherlands. Place 6 : views of bridges in Spijkenisse, The Netherlands.
Quote from: 4popoid on November 03, 2014, 07:22:29 PM
Car 3: 1913 Spacke cyclecar mfg. in Indianapolis, IN, USA - Place 8: Fred Spacke house in Indianapolis
That's correct.
Quote from: 4popoid on November 03, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
Car 4: BMW 1602 Electro Antrieb (E10) prototype introduced at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games - Place 2: 1972 Olympic Stadium in Munich designed by Frei Otto.
Correct, too.
Quote from: 4popoid on November 03, 2014, 11:51:40 PM
Car 7: Swiss produced Holka-DKW F8 (Landi) by Holka of Zurich, from about 1939 – Place 1: Cable cars (gondolas) installed in Zurich in 1939
The car is correctly identified, the place is nicely located, but there is a tiny link missing to connect these two. Zurich alone is not enough. This combination is
locked for you.
Quote from: oko94 on November 04, 2014, 01:59:05 AM
Car 1 : Spijkstaal Elektro Bestelwagen built in Spijkenisse, The Netherlands. Place 6 : views of bridges in Spijkenisse, The Netherlands.
Yes, correct. These bridges resemble the fictional bridges depicted on the Euro bills.
I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, but the 1939 cable car transporter in Zurich was constructed for a Swiss national exhibition known as "Landi". As previously stated, the Swiss built Holka-DKW F8 was called "Landi". Is this the connection that you need?
Car 5: Falcon kitcar by JBA Engineering - Place 12: Falcon's Lair, the home of Rudolph Valentino in Hollywood, California.
Quote from: 4popoid on November 04, 2014, 02:44:08 AM
I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, but the 1939 cable car transporter in Zurich was constructed for a Swiss national exhibition known as "Landi". As previously stated, the Swiss built Holka-DKW F8 was called "Landi". Is this the connection that you need?
Yes, that's the missing link. Landi is a short term for Landesausstellung (
national exhibition).
Quote from: 4popoid on November 04, 2014, 02:49:00 AM
Car 5: Falcon kitcar by JBA Engineering - Place 12: Falcon's Lair, the home of Rudolph Valentino in Hollywood, California.
Car 5 is not a Falcon, the place is correctly identified, though. No comment on the connection.
Are points awarded only when all puzzles are solved ? I'm still at 207 but I should have 208 pts.
Sorry, I forgot to mention. As usual in group puzzles, the points will be awarded at the end of the puzzle, when all pairs are found.
Alright.
I've identified place 5, whose name evokes a car manufacturer, but I don't see a car of this brand in the remaining cars. Is that a case of tricky connection, or is there an obscure car from this brand featured here ?
Car number 8 is an Alfa Romeo Alfasud Valentino, and Place 12 is Rudolph Valentino house in Whitley Heights L.A., I suppose.
Quote from: oko94 on November 04, 2014, 05:28:06 AM
Alright.
I've identified place 5, whose name evokes a car manufacturer, but I don't see a car of this brand in the remaining cars. Is that a case of tricky connection, or is there an obscure car from this brand featured here ?
Place 5 is not connected in the most common way as XYZ place name = XYZ car name.
Quote from: targhediferro on November 04, 2014, 05:37:37 AM
Car number 8 is an Alfa Romeo Alfasud Valentino, and Place 12 is Rudolph Valentino house in Whitley Heights L.A., I suppose.
Well done!
(Yes, I know, the Alfasud Valentino has nothing to do with Rudolph Valentino. ;D )
OK. Half wild guess :
- Place 5 is Passage Cottin in Paris.
- Car 6 is Desgouttes voiturette made in Lyon in 1946 by someone from the Desgoutte family, from Cottin-Desgouttes fame.
Quote from: oko94 on November 04, 2014, 05:50:14 AM
OK. Half wild guess :
- Place 5 is Passage Cottin in Paris.
- Car 6 is Desgouttes voiturette made in Lyon in 1946 by someone from the Desgoutte family, from Cottin-Desgouttes fame.
Place 5 is correct, car 6 isn't. No comment on the connection.
Car 5: Apollo Verona - Place 11: 'Juliet's balcony' in Verona, Italy.
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 05, 2014, 02:43:30 PM
Car 5: Apollo Verona - Place 11: 'Juliet's balcony' in Verona, Italy.
Almost correct.
Locked for you to find the exact car, as it is not the Apollo Verona, but very closely related. Place and connection are correct.
I think I found it: a BMW-engined Verona 3,5 Cabriolet, built by E.S.W. Automobile of Aschaffenburg, Germany.
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 05, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
I think I found it: a BMW-engined Verona 3,5 Cabriolet, built by E.S.W. Automobile of Aschaffenburg, Germany.
Well done!
Time to get this puzzle solved, and not just let it languish. Car 2: A car (possibly an Opel Kapitän from about 1939) equipped with an Imbert type Holzgas generator. - Place 4: A scene from the 1949 British film "The Third Man" which was filmed on location in early postwar Vienna.
It's the connection that I'm having trouble with. The location of the car, given the marque and Holzgas generator, could be early post war Vienna, it might even be a scene from the film as well. However, I suspect that you want something more for a connection than just Vienna. The only other connection that I can think of is that the film's plot dealt with stolen and altered/diluted black market penicillin, which might be somewhat analogous to using wood as a motor fuel via the Holzgas generator. A reach, I know, but it is all I can come up with.
Car 2 is equipped with an Imbert Holzgas generator, but it is not an Opel Kapitän, it is an even bigger car.
The picture for Place 4 is taken from the great movie "The Third Man". The Place is in Vienna, but Vienna is not precise enough to make the connection to one of the remaining cars.
No comment on the connection.
Car 2: 1937 Graf-Ford V8, manufactured in Vienna, and equipped with an Imbert type Holzgas generator - Place 4: A scene from the 1949 British film "The Third Man" which was filmed on location in early postwar Vienna. The connection is the car was manufactured in Vienna by Graf & Stift, and the film was shot (manufactured) in Vienna.
Car 2 is not a Gräf-Ford.
No comment on the connection.
Going by your hint that this is a very large car, and sticking with my previous train of thought regarding Graf & Stift, I'll try:
Car 2: 1938 Graf & Stift SP9, manufactured in Vienna, and equipped with an Imbert type Holzgas generator - Place 4: A scene from the 1949 British film "The Third Man" which was filmed on location in early postwar Vienna. The connection is the car was manufactured in Vienna by Graf & Stift, and the film was shot (manufactured) in Vienna.
Car 2 is not any kind of Gräf & Stift, not even Austrian.
Well there goes that train of thought, so I'll try:
Car 2: 1938 Cadillac, equipped with an Imbert type Holzgas generator - Place 4: A scene from the 1949 British film "The Third Man" which was filmed on location in early postwar Vienna. But the only connection I can think of is the car belonged to occupation forces in postwar Vienna where the film was shot.
Now, that's a lot better. It is in fact a 1939 Cadillac. I fear you have to find out more about the car in order to make the right connection. ;)
Well Car 2 appears to be a Cadillac Series 75 or Series 90 (I really can't tell the difference from this angle), but I don't how this makes any connection to a 1949 film shot in Vienna, unless the car appeared in the film, which I wouldn't know as I have never viewed the film. Hopefully I don't need to figure out owner of this particular Cadillac, which I fear would be virtually impossible.
Well, the connection has to do with its well-known owner. :(
And a little hint: it is not connected to Place 4, so you have to search again.
Ah well, if not related to Place 4, then:
Car 2: 1939 Cadillac belonging to Marshal Philippe Pétain, Chief of State of Vichy France 1940-1944. - Place 7: The opera house in Vichy, France. The connection is Vichy, France.
I told you it was easy. ;D
BTW, the holzgas transformation was done by Karosserie Wendler in Germany.
Place 5 is Passage Cottin in Paris. Car 9 is a Cottin Desgouttes prototype.
Quote from: oko94 on November 14, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Place 5 is Passage Cottin in Paris. Car 9 is a Cottin Desgouttes prototype.
Place 5 is correct, car 9 is not a Cottin-Desgouttes (or related to it).
Car 9: 1913 Howard cyclecar from Sutton, UK - Place 4: The British actor Trevor Howard in a scene from the 1949 British film "The Third Man". The connection is both are British, and both are named Howard.
Car 9 is not a Howard.
Rats, I liked that Howard scenario. Alright, let;s try:
Car 9: A Niesner, manufactured in Vienna, from about 1908. - Place 4: A scene from the 1949 British film "The Third Man" which was filmed on location in early postwar Vienna. The connection is the car was manufactured in Vienna, and the film was shot (manufactured) in Vienna.
Car 9 is not a Niesner
You didn't say in your opening posting whether you would answer questions regarding individual components (car - place) in order to establish their idinity so they can be paired. If you will, is Car 9 a European marque?
Ask whatever you like. The only questions I won't answer are those regarding the connection before car and place are positively identified.
Car 9 is from Europe, but may prove tricky.
The picture for Car 9 looks strange, especially the wheels which look out of proportion to the rest of the car. Is Car 9 much newer than it appears, and thus perhaps a not particularly accurate replicar, child's car or homebuilt?
You made a fine observation, but haven't come to the right conclusion so far.
Is it a model or toy?
No
So, if this vehicle is not much newer than it appears, and not a replicar, child's car, homebuilt, toy or model, am I to conclude that this is in fact a picture or drawing of a production car (or pre-production prototype), that is about the age that it appears (about 1910)?
1910 is too early, and there is still something extraordinary about that car.
I'm not sure, but I might have made a bit of progress on the pairing of Car 9 and Place 4.
It's been established that Place 4 is a still from the 1949 film The Third Man. It shows Trevor Howard as Major Calloway sitting in the Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery) in Vienna. In fact he may well be sitting in Shepperton Studios in London, where they built a set to re-create part of the cemetery, but I won't argue about that.
Despite its name, the cemetery is not in the centre of Vienna, but in an outer city district called Simmering, which is also an industrial area.
The wheels on Car 4 look odd, and for a time I wondered if they might have electric motors built into them, but then it also struck me that the car does not seem to have a steering wheel. So I think it may be a draisine, a light vehicle intended to run on railway lines.
I haven't been able to find the puzzle picture, but I found the photo below, which has enough points of similarity for it to be worth a try. The book I found the photo in says it was made by the Simmeringer Waggonfabrik in 1925. I'm not certain, but I think this is the company whose full name was Maschinen- und Waggonbaufabrik AG, of Wien-Simmering.
So I offer Simmering as the link, with something less than total confidence.
That's some fine sleuthing. Well done!
Well now that Tom_I has done a masterful job with Car 9 (I was nowhere close), I'll move on.
Car 6 looks like a Citroen 2CV (originally manufactured in Paris) modified into a roadster, and Place 5 has already been identified as Passage Cottin in Paris. So I'll guess that these two are a pair, with the connection being Paris.
Car 6 is not Citroen 2CV-related.
Is Car 12 a kitcar, possibly from the UK?
Not a kitcar, but from the UK.
A very wild guess.
Car 12 bears some resemblance to a Shark, by Classic Motors of Plymouth, Devon, UK. - Place 9 looks like it could be somewhere in the southwest UK, perhaps Devon. Therefore I'll try: Car 12 - Place 9, with the connection being Devon, UK.
Car 12 is not a Shark.
Place 9 is in Devon, but that is not precise enough.
Place 9 looks like a smallish river town. If the area is Devon, perhaps Place 9 is Dartmouth on the River Dart? If so, perhaps Car 12 could be a Daimler Dart, with the connection being Dart.
Yes, it is the River Dart near Dartmouth, and the car is a modified Daimler Dart aka SP 250.
That leaves just one pair, of which the place is already identified. Who will find out about the car and the connection?
Car 6 V.E.L. 1948 by G.M. Renaud. Adressed Passage Cottin Paris and Place 5 Passage Cottin Paris
Yes! :)
All pairs found now.
The total:
4popoid: 5 points
Tom_I: 2 points
Ehhxekt: 1 point
Oguerrerob: 1 point
oko94: 1 point
targhediferro: 1 point
ValkyrieGT: 1 point
Well done, gentlemen! I hope you enjoyed this one as much as I did.