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Title: SOLVED: Djetset 675 - Vanden Plas saloon proposal by Laurence Pomery (and ERA?)
Post by: Djetset on May 29, 2014, 04:19:36 PM
To gain a point, who designed this car, and which company built this prototype?  Both correct answers needed to be awarded the point please.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: iani on May 29, 2014, 07:41:08 PM
Rootes swallow, designed by an ex-ERA team. A bigger rear-engined imp.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on May 30, 2014, 02:37:09 AM
Sorry, but no Rootes connection.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 06, 2014, 04:05:18 PM
Up to the Experts.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: exekiel on June 06, 2014, 10:44:42 PM
british ford conne3ction?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 07, 2014, 05:48:47 AM
No Ford connection here.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: wingroad on June 07, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
ERA built it for BMC in the late 50's to early 60's.Rear engined ,RWD Designed by Bob Koto ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 10, 2014, 06:26:31 AM
Sorry but that's not this car, although you did get one part right  ;)
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on June 10, 2014, 01:22:03 PM
It looks exactly like a smaller version of the rear-engined ERA proposal for BMC. So if it's not related to Rootes or BMC, maybe it was made for Triumph ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 10, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
I see what you mean, but this is not the ERA project for Rootes, but it is BMC related (but not Triumph).
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Majeko on June 10, 2014, 03:03:19 PM
Swift?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 10, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Not Swift.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: spider on June 10, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
Hino?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 10, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
Not Hino (and I can't think of any BMC relationship with Hino!).
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: spider on June 11, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Some thing to do with Michelotti and BMC?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on June 11, 2014, 02:03:35 PM
No Michelotti involvement here.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: D-type on June 25, 2014, 03:43:56 PM
Could "BMC related" mean Innocenti?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Majeko on June 26, 2014, 06:01:13 AM
Hillman Imp replacement?

Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Carnut on July 21, 2014, 05:23:09 AM
Hillman Imp replacement?

Bump
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: exekiel on July 24, 2014, 11:26:57 PM
japanese?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: frederick59 on July 26, 2014, 09:58:06 PM
Roots Chrysler project ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 21, 2014, 06:21:17 PM
Not an Innocenti project, and no Rootes connection, so it's not a Hillman Imp or Chrysler proposal.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 02:43:43 AM
Has it been made for one specific brand of the BMC ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 02:45:28 AM
Not really, but this prototype was prepared by one of the BMC marques.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 02:47:21 AM
Morris ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 02:51:20 AM
Not Morris.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 05:34:48 AM
Wolseley ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 05:45:17 AM
Not Wolseley.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 07:36:14 AM
Austin ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 07:50:45 AM
Not Austin.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
Riley ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 12:03:43 PM
Not a Riley.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
It can only be an MG then. So is it an ERA proposal built by MG ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 12:11:33 PM
Sorry, but it's not MG either!  The marque has a strong BMC/BLMC/BL/Leyland connection.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 12:16:15 PM
Do you mean that the brand in question has never belonged to the BMC/BLMC/whatever group, but has cooperated with that group ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 12:46:51 PM
Both; it has co-operated, and also formed part of the various BMC/BL groups.  Now that might be a clue!
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
Healey ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 01:03:25 PM
Not Healey, but you are now thinking along the right lines...
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 22, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
Vanden Plas ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 22, 2014, 01:34:49 PM
Jackpot!  Yes, this unusual car (model) was built by Vanden Plas.  Now locked to you to finish off the puzzle by answering the other part of the question.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 23, 2014, 04:32:46 AM
ERA proposal built by Vanden Plas ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 23, 2014, 04:44:59 AM
No, not an ERA proposal.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on August 23, 2014, 02:37:20 PM
You can unlock, I'm unable to find any information about this project.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on August 23, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
OK, thank you oko, I will.  Keep on trying though.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 23, 2014, 11:44:43 AM
I suspect the Pros have been itching to get their hands on this one for a while now, so go ahead...  We now know it was built by Vanden Plas, but who designed it?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on September 23, 2014, 11:50:38 AM
David Hodkin ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 23, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
Not David Hodkin.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Hiawatha on September 23, 2014, 12:43:00 PM
John Bradley?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 23, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
Not John Bradley.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: ropat53 on September 23, 2014, 02:04:41 PM
Roland Fox?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 23, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
Not Roland Fox.  The name I am looking for is rather better known.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: ropat53 on September 23, 2014, 02:47:39 PM
I haven't been able to find a picture of this car >:( and the ERA prototype keeps popping up >:( >:(.
It wouldn't happen to be by my fellow countryman Ricardo "Dick" Burzi? He was connected with Austin, but so was Vanden Plas.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 23, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
Sorry, but it's not Ricardo 'Dick' Burzi.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Carnut on September 23, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Vignale?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 23, 2014, 03:48:17 PM
Not Vignale, but an admired individual.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: nicanary on September 23, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Michelotti?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: targhediferro on September 24, 2014, 12:42:09 AM
Flaminio Bertoni?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 24, 2014, 03:03:15 AM
None of the above.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on September 24, 2014, 03:08:30 AM
Are we looking for an English designer ?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 24, 2014, 03:14:30 AM
Yes, he was English, but not a designer in the traditional sense.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 24, 2014, 04:26:43 AM
Like Issigonis?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 24, 2014, 04:29:30 AM
Sort of like Issigonis, but not him.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Carnut on September 24, 2014, 05:13:45 AM
This is intriguing!
There's so much mis-information around on the 'Net that I don't know what's right and what isn't.
What strikes me is that there was either plagiarism going on or the 2 cars below were designed by the same person; I know one is only a model whilst the other is a full-size mock-up, but such are the similarities between these two cars that they are effectively one and the same car, except that one is the ERA designed by David Hodkin and the other is your puzzle car!:

Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: nicanary on September 24, 2014, 05:33:29 AM
Yes. I was also confused......
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: oko94 on September 24, 2014, 05:38:15 AM
Count me in the confused camp as well.
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Hiawatha on September 24, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
Can I join the band?
Confused from Italy..
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: wingroad on September 24, 2014, 02:40:17 PM
I thought it was the ERA prototype in model form, so I went to specsavers for an eye test !
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 24, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
Well, I seem to have stirred up a real hornet's nest here, as these are undoubtedly one and the same car, as constructed by coachbuilders Vanden Plas! 

My information sources are two authoritive published works, and not the internet. The name I am looking for would have almost certainly known and worked with David Hodkin of ERA fame.  However, my sources suggest that this car was conceived by another great sage of the post-war British motoring scene, who is not David Hodkin ;)
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: wingroad on September 24, 2014, 04:16:49 PM
Laurence Pomeroy ? (Junior)
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: ropat53 on September 24, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
Rex Fleming?
Title: Re: Djetset 675
Post by: Djetset on September 24, 2014, 04:39:53 PM
Yes, that's the man.  Pom Junior conceived this unusual car for The Motor magazine, which he edited from 1945-60 and asked Vanden Plas to build it.  A strange choice indeed!

So, one point to Wingroad, with a bonus point to Oko94 as this puzzle created so much debate.  It will be interesting to know the full story behind this project, and the ERA connection.
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset 675 - Vanden Plas saloon proposal by Laurence Pomery (and ERA?)
Post by: barrett on September 26, 2014, 03:26:59 PM
Right, hopefully I can make some sense of this.

This the last design on the BMC/ERA Project 378 'Maximin' platform and was styled by Dick Burzi.

Pomeroy was the spark that set the entire project in motion although he didn't 'commission' the car as such, nor did he have any input in its design. He suggested to Leonard Lord a variety of criteria that together would make a world-class car from Austin in a time when they (and the British motor industry in general) were seen as lagging behind Europe in technological advances.

The design and engineering work was sub-contracted by BMC to ERA under David Hodkin, who designed and built an advanced air-cooled engine and automatic transmission system mounted on a platform chassis riding on self-levelling air suspension. the original cars was merely a running chassis frame, the second had a crude cobbled-together body, the third a very up-to-date body which was badged as an Austin. the final car had Burzi-styled coachwork and was built by VDP, who were short of work at the time.

More photographs of the finished VDP car and the other two prototypes can be seen in Woodinsight's puzzle for BMC/ERa Project 378.

Hope that clears it up!
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset 675 - Vanden Plas saloon proposal by Laurence Pomery (and ERA?)
Post by: Djetset on September 29, 2014, 07:15:53 AM
Excellent.  Thank you Barrett, your note really helps to make sense of this whole, rather confusing project. A BMC air cooled engine would have been an interesting one!