Identify what this car was called, the approximate year it was built and the size of engine fitted for one point.
I might award a second point if you can tell me at which circuit the car was racing at, the name of the driver/constructor and what the name of the car meant.
Moving up.....
Austin 750cc?
Quote from: nicanary on February 26, 2013, 01:07:43 PM
Austin 750cc?
Not an Austin 750.......the engine is a bit larger than that
Ford 1172cc?
Quote from: nicanary on February 26, 2013, 02:29:28 PM
Ford 1172cc?
It's possible but I'm not sure.
This car was raced in the Formula 1300 class.
The constructor was a director of the 750 Motor Club....
Yimkin engineering, BMC one litre engine, circa 1960?
You kindly said it was entered in something called Formula 1300 - this means nothing to me, but an educated guess would say it was based on a Ford 1300 pushrod engine. What baffles me is the position of the engine - the front nosecone looks too low to contain a motor, which is why I guessed incorrectly it was an Austin 750, and the exhaust exits by the driver's side. If it's rear-engined the exhaust must be in the reverse position.
This is complex engineering for a home-built special. Is the engine inclined?
That looks like Woodcote corner at Silverstone circa 1960'62.
Quote from: Hiawatha on February 28, 2013, 03:49:59 PM
Yimkin engineering, BMC one litre engine, circa 1960?
Not a Yimkin
Quote from: nicanary on March 01, 2013, 06:28:15 AM
You kindly said it was entered in something called Formula 1300 - this means nothing to me, but an educated guess would say it was based on a Ford 1300 pushrod engine. What baffles me is the position of the engine - the front nosecone looks too low to contain a motor, which is why I guessed incorrectly it was an Austin 750, and the exhaust exits by the driver's side. If it's rear-engined the exhaust must be in the reverse position.
This is complex engineering for a home-built special. Is the engine inclined?
That looks like Woodcote corner at Silverstone circa 1960'62.
Yes, it's Silverstone in 1962.
I'm trying to find more details on this particular car and will post them later as a clue here.
The car was competing against the likes of the U2, Terrier, Rejo, Lolita, Warwick, etc. in 1962.
For some reason I keep thinking about a Mike Costin connection - I have idea why. Was he involved?
Quote from: nicanary on March 02, 2013, 06:45:06 PM
For some reason I keep thinking about a Mike Costin connection - I have idea why. Was he involved?
Sorry but I really don't know
Pros?
Quote from: nicanary on March 01, 2013, 06:28:15 AM
You kindly said it was entered in something called Formula 1300 - this means nothing to me, but an educated guess would say it was based on a Ford 1300 pushrod engine.
That looks like Woodcote corner at Silverstone circa 1960'62.
F1300 was the replacement for the 1172 Formula when 750MC needed to redefine it around an available engine. IIRC your guess re Ford is right.
Oh and I'd say the corner was Copse, not Woodcote.
Here's the original photo I cropped it from -
I'd now say it's Becketts Corner
Quote from: Allan L on March 12, 2013, 09:59:43 AM
I'd now say it's Becketts Corner
You may well be right Allan - my source doesn't reveal that.... :-\
Time for another clue - the constructor/builder's name commenced with a 'G'
Is it a Ginetta?
Quote from: D-type on March 13, 2013, 05:43:13 PM
Is it a Ginetta?
No, time for another clue -
I should have made my reply clearer - the constructor's surname commenced with a 'G' but the name of the car commenced with a 'W'
It looks a little bit (and I mean Little) like Tony Goodwin's car.
I'm sure I remember this car, but I'm blowed if I can remember what it was called.
Perhaps it's the Widi Mk 1 (which wouldn't have been called that until the Widi Mk 2 existed!).
Being Widi would have made it Belgian, although we are still not sure whether the car is actually British. Is it?
Quote from: faksta on June 27, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Being Widi would have made it Belgian, although we are still not sure whether the car is actually British. Is it?
The Widi specials I remember were British, and I think we may assume that a F1300 racer at Silverstone in 1962 would have been British.
Quote from: Allan L on June 27, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: faksta on June 27, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Being Widi would have made it Belgian, although we are still not sure whether the car is actually British. Is it?
The Widi specials I remember were British, and I think we may assume that a F1300 racer at Silverstone in 1962 would have been British.
Widi cars were made by Belgian Mr Willy Widar, in Belgium as far as I know.
Although they used Climax engines and many proprietary British parts I don't know that they are ever referred to as anything but Belgian?!
Quote from: Allan L on June 27, 2013, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: faksta on June 27, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Being Widi would have made it Belgian, although we are still not sure whether the car is actually British. Is it?
The Widi specials I remember were British, and I think we may assume that a F1300 racer at Silverstone in 1962 would have been British.
Indeed, like Canut said Widi cars were built by Willy Widar in Belgium, so I was following exactly the same thought you provided - F1300 car was most probably going to be British (even though I don't know a thing about this category apart from what is posted above).
OK I stand corrected!
There was a Formula 1200/1300 car called a WEV/W.E.V. so perhaps that's what it is.
What ever happened to that useful Ford Specials website, where we could check things like this??
I miss that site badly !
;Just looking for something else and I found a race programme for 1962 which had a 1172 race. Two names with a W - I'll try Wombat ?
Quote from: Allan L on June 30, 2013, 04:18:37 AM
OK I stand corrected!
There was a Formula 1200/1300 car called a WEV/W.E.V. so perhaps that's what it is.
What ever happened to that useful Ford Specials website, where we could check things like this??
Is this it? The names fit because I have seen the car attributed to either Graham Gant or Stan Goldthorpe. (Memories seem vague on some forums!) We await your decision Malcolm.
Quote from: nicanary on January 28, 2014, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: Allan L on June 30, 2013, 04:18:37 AM
OK I stand corrected!
There was a Formula 1200/1300 car called a WEV/W.E.V. so perhaps that's what it is.
What ever happened to that useful Ford Specials website, where we could check things like this??
Is this it? The names fit because I have seen the car attributed to either Graham Gant or Stan Goldthorpe. (Memories seem vague on some forums!) We await your decision Malcolm.
I think we've got it between us, Nicanary, as I did a search for "Stan Goldthorpe" and found the same photo with the caption
AXO 862 chasing Stan Goldthorpe in the WEV (worms eye view)at the Trio meeting at Silverstone in 1962.
Assuming the writer knew his stuff, that would be the answer.
I got the name Graham Gant from, of all places, a certain forum of which we are both members. No names, no pack drill. A thread on that site concerns one-off specials, and mentions Stan Goldthorpe's WEV, but goes on to claim that it was one of a short series of one-offs built by the Gants, mainly Graham. So I suspect that this WEV was built by Gant, driven by Goldthorpe.
(PS it's great to have MJW back!)
First of all, my sincere apologies for the very late reply.
I think that I'll award both Allan and Nicanary a point each as they've both contributed parts of the correct answer.
It is a W.E.V. (Worm's Eye View) driven by Stan Goldthorpe at Silverstone in 1962. I believe the car was constructed by Graham Gant and it ran in the Formula 1200/1300 class.
Hopefully that satisfies you both.
Quote from: woodinsight on February 03, 2014, 04:00:59 PM
First of all, my sincere apologies for the very late reply.
I think that I'll award both Allan and Nicanary a point each as they've both contributed parts of the correct answer.
It is a W.E.V. (Worm's Eye View) driven by Stan Goldthorpe at Silverstone in 1962. I believe the car was constructed by Graham Gant and it ran in the Formula 1200/1300 class.
Hopefully that satisfies you both.
Don't worry about the delay - it's good to see you still taking part in this!
As for points I think neither of us is short of 'em and it's quite rare that anything I/we understand makes it to pro level so when something does . . . :D
Quote from: Allan L on February 04, 2014, 04:21:41 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on February 03, 2014, 04:00:59 PM
First of all, my sincere apologies for the very late reply.
I think that I'll award both Allan and Nicanary a point each as they've both contributed parts of the correct answer.
It is a W.E.V. (Worm's Eye View) driven by Stan Goldthorpe at Silverstone in 1962. I believe the car was constructed by Graham Gant and it ran in the Formula 1200/1300 class.
Hopefully that satisfies you both.
My sentiments exactly, Allan. I think you were very generous Malcolm.Many thanks. (I have a habit of contributing extra information to puzzles already solved - I'm not looking for unearned points, but they're always welcome. Life is tough in the Pros).
Don't worry about the delay - it's good to see you still taking part in this!
As for points I think neither of us is short of 'em and it's quite rare that anything I/we understand makes it to pro level so when something does . . . :D