Solved - MJW #668 - Elva Mk VII-Porsche (rebodied?) 1967

[woodinsight]

A bit of a mystery car to me.

I only have the base make and who the builder was.......
Can anyone expand this information?
One point on offer.

[fgsavoia]

It seems taken from a late 60-beginning 70 Targa Florio

[woodinsight]

It seems taken from a late 60-beginning 70 Targa Florio

The era is correct but can you name the car?
Don't think there's a Targa Florio connection but I may be wrong.

[M630]

We're certainly in France, at Monthléry

[woodinsight]

We're certainly in France, at Monthléry

That sounds more likely.....

[moltogatto]

Elva-Porsche?

[woodinsight]

Elva-Porsche?

Not that.....
Just to narrow it down a little - it is of dual nationality but not British or German

[moltogatto]

Really don't know, have a picture of a very similar car, racing in Monthlery, from one of the photographic albums published by French magazine "Echappement", IIRC they say it's a Swiss driven Elva-Porsche

[woodinsight]

Switzerland is where this car was built but no connection to Elva-Porsche as far as I'm aware.....

[moltogatto]

Borghi?

[woodinsight]

Borghi?

Not Borghi, not quite as obscure

[moltogatto]

Cegga?

[woodinsight]

Cegga?

Yes it is - the caption for the photo said it was a Gachnang-?
Cegga is of course the Gachnang brothers.
Locked for you to complete what make of car it was based on.

[moltogatto]

Ferrari?

[woodinsight]

Ferrari?

Not Ferrari.
Still locked for you but only until your next reply

[moltogatto]

Thank you, but I'm not able to come up with a proper reply, so I think it's fair to leave it

[woodinsight]

Thank you, but I'm not able to come up with a proper reply, so I think it's fair to leave it

Fair enough - unlocked again.
I'd still like to know more about this car when the name is solved.

[woodinsight]

Now in the Experts section

[D-type]

Earlier Cegga had used a Maserati engine in their Formula 1 chassis.  But you say this was based on another car implying that it was not their own chassis with a a proprietary engine in their own chassis.  That rules out Maserati.  So was this a Porsche modified by the Gachnang brothers and re-branded as a Cegga?

[woodinsight]

Earlier Cegga had used a Maserati engine in their Formula 1 chassis.  But you say this was based on another car implying that it was not their own chassis with a a proprietary engine in their own chassis.  That rules out Maserati.  So was this a Porsche modified by the Gachnang brothers and re-branded as a Cegga?

Now you've posed some questions that I can't answer as I only have the photo caption to refer to.
If I tell you that this was captioned in a French magazine as a Gachnang-Maserati, do you have any more information that would support this? I'm aware of the Maserati-engined Formula 1 car.
I'll lock it for you if you have proof or a further explanation.

[D-type]

Don't worry about locking it - I have nothing to add. 

Cegga stands for "Claude et George Gachang, Aigle" so a Cegga and a Gachang are effectively the same make.  I was really saying that this car cannot be Maserati-based as I can't think of a Maserati model that they could base it on.  Hence this would be their own chassis  with a Maserati engine, ie a Maserati-engined car but not a Maserati-based one.   (The reference to Porsche is simply because Porsche did produce cars that someone could modify so you could have a Porsche-based car - nothing more)

[woodinsight]

Don't worry about locking it - I have nothing to add. 

Cegga stands for "Claude et George Gachang, Aigle" so a Cegga and a Gachang are effectively the same make.  I was really saying that this car cannot be Maserati-based as I can't think of a Maserati model that they could base it on.  Hence this would be their own chassis  with a Maserati engine, ie a Maserati-engined car but not a Maserati-based one.   (The reference to Porsche is simply because Porsche did produce cars that someone could modify so you could have a Porsche-based car - nothing more)

Duncan I'm giving you the point as that's all the information I have.
I think it's a Maserati-engined Cegga dating from c.1967 as per the photo caption.
Perhaps someone will come up with the full story in time (it could be worth another point)

[D-type]

No point please - I haven't earned it as I simply made a couple of guesses.  Moltogatto deserves the point for identifying the car as a Cegga.

I'm still looking into this one.  I have found a photo of what appears to be this car identified as a 1967 Cegga-Ferrari rather than Cegga-Maserati but I am waiting for a login on another site to come through before I can confirm it.

[woodinsight]

No point please - I haven't earned it as I simply made a couple of guesses.  Moltogatto deserves the point for identifying the car as a Cegga.

I'm still looking into this one.  I have found a photo of what appears to be this car identified as a 1967 Cegga-Ferrari rather than Cegga-Maserati but I am waiting for a login on another site to come through before I can confirm it.

I'll leave your point in place as you are busy working on the identification.
I've also given Moltogatto a point.

[faksta]

This is from a French forum probably well known for many autopuzzlers.