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Title: Solved - NEH 2802: Robert Cutts' MG M-type Midget-based special pictured in 1962
Post by: Carnut on July 11, 2013, 09:51:24 AM
Who built this and on what is it based, for 1 point?:

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Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on July 18, 2013, 04:53:58 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: D-type on July 18, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Austin 7 based "Special" with a proprietary fibreglass body.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Austin on July 18, 2013, 04:18:19 PM
Austin 7 based Microplas Stiletto.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on July 18, 2013, 05:48:30 PM
Quote from: D-type on July 18, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Austin 7 based "Special" with a proprietary fibreglass body.

No..

Quote from: Austin on July 18, 2013, 04:18:19 PM
Austin 7 based Microplas Stiletto.

..Not Austin 7-based but I don't know if it is a Stiletto body or not; it's possible it might be, but that's not actually part of the question (since I don't know the answer!)
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: ropat53 on July 18, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
MG J
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2013, 05:55:21 AM
Quote from: ropat53 on July 18, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
MG J

MG-based, yes, but not a J-Type
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: ropat53 on July 19, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Has to be the smaller MG Midget, P Type?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2013, 10:05:37 AM
Quote from: ropat53 on July 19, 2013, 02:28:21 PM
Has to be the smaller MG Midget, P Type?

Midget, yes - but not P-Type
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: D-type on July 23, 2013, 04:03:21 PM
Could it be TD based?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on July 24, 2013, 06:18:44 AM
Quote from: D-type on July 23, 2013, 04:03:21 PM
Could it be TD based?

No - earlier.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on August 01, 2013, 05:07:39 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: nicanary on August 01, 2013, 05:33:04 AM
MG TA base ?

Can't be beaten by the Man from Gitche Gumee - is it one of the 1937 TA models bodied by Peel ?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Hiawatha on August 01, 2013, 05:33:36 AM
M type?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on August 01, 2013, 06:00:22 AM
Quote from: nicanary on August 01, 2013, 05:33:04 AM
MG TA base ?

Can't be beaten by the Man from Gitche Gumee - is it one of the 1937 TA models bodied by Peel ?

No, because....

Quote from: Hiawatha on August 01, 2013, 05:33:36 AM
M type?


....is correct!
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 16, 2014, 10:37:14 AM
Anyone care to be a bit more specific about exactly which MG M-type this is based on and who the builder was, before I move it to the Black Hole?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: nicanary on January 16, 2014, 11:05:58 AM
Your use of words suggests that this is a specific car, perhaps famous in sport at one point. Is it a former "Cream Cracker" car?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 16, 2014, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: nicanary on January 16, 2014, 11:05:58 AM
Your use of words suggests that this is a specific car, perhaps famous in sport at one point. Is it a former "Cream Cracker" car?

It's not based on any specific car that I know of but on a model of which a few were made.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: AlexFrance on January 16, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
Is it a supercharged M-type from 1932?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Allan L on January 16, 2014, 06:14:41 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 16, 2014, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: nicanary on January 16, 2014, 11:05:58 AM
Your use of words suggests that this is a specific car, perhaps famous in sport at one point. Is it a former "Cream Cracker" car?

It's not based on any specific car that I know of but on a model of which a few were made.
An M type is an M type apart from the body and that's been thrown away.
If we are supposed to guess what original body it once had, and you say only a few were made, I bid the Double 12 Replica.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 17, 2014, 04:35:55 AM
That's right, the original body was thrown away much to the builder's later regret..
Not a Double 12 Replica.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: AlexFrance on January 17, 2014, 07:57:59 AM
What about one of the M-types that were entered in the Le Mans 24 hours race in 1930?
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 17, 2014, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: AlexFrance on January 17, 2014, 07:57:59 AM
What about one of the M-types that were entered in the Le Mans 24 hours race in 1930?

No, not one of those..
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 17, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
If it helps, here's another picture of it:

Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Allan L on January 17, 2014, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2014, 04:35:55 AM
That's right, the original body was thrown away much to the builder's later regret..
Not a Double 12 Replica.
But is it the body style we are supposed to find or have you found something mechanical that I can't see either.  It's over 55 years since I had one and happily the memory of it is fading at last.
Nothing in the rear view is M type except perhaps the wheels, and it seems to have knock-on wheels which Ms normally did not.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 05:49:51 AM
Quote from: Allan L on January 17, 2014, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2014, 04:35:55 AM
That's right, the original body was thrown away much to the builder's later regret..
Not a Double 12 Replica.
But is it the body style we are supposed to find or have you found something mechanical that I can't see either.  It's over 55 years since I had one and happily the memory of it is fading at last.
Nothing in the rear view is M type except perhaps the wheels, and it seems to have knock-on wheels which Ms normally did not.

The information is out there so that's what's needed for the point, especially at Pro-level!
The questions originally posed need to be answered - so EXACTLY what was it based on (MG M-type is just not quite enough since we know what body style of M-type it was) and who did it are what's needed.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Allan L on January 20, 2014, 07:33:02 AM
Sorry, but I can't see the point of knowing what body was thrown away, but let's suggest it was a salonette body.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 07:37:23 AM
Quote from: Allan L on January 20, 2014, 07:33:02 AM
Sorry, but I can't see the point of knowing what body was thrown away, but let's suggest it was a salonette body.

Well it's just a puzzle looking for all the info known about the car and if it's a special-bodied one, its origin too.
You could say about very many of the puzzles here - what's the point in asking that!  It's just a part of the game: you don't have to take part if you don't want to.

I'll have to check exactly what a salonette body is before I can answer that..
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 08:03:15 AM
It's not a Salonette, thought it is quite similar...
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Allan L on January 20, 2014, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 08:03:15 AM
It's not a Salonette, thought it is quite similar...
Well, that would be what the optimists at Oxford called the Sportsman's Coupé!
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 09:05:55 AM
Quote from: Allan L on January 20, 2014, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 08:03:15 AM
It's not a Salonette, thought it is quite similar...
Well, that would be what the optimists at Oxford called the Sportsman's Coupé!

Yes indeed (one is pictured below).
The builder, understandably, later regretted his decision!  Now all we need is his name.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: WayneB on January 20, 2014, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: Carnut on January 17, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
If it helps, here's another picture of it:

"Home-Built Car" by Robert Cutts, 1962.

I managed to find a photo of the back of it , the builder states it has a fibreglass body , I wouldn't be surprised If it was a Microplas Stiletto body (as pointed out by Austin), but Robert Cutts doesn't mention the source in his caption.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Allan L on January 20, 2014, 10:19:14 AM
Yes I eventually found the same Robert Cutts set of photos and he says it was a small MG saloon but not specifically which model. He wrote: "it was definitely a saloon, it looked much like the Sportsmans Coupe below" but "below" links to an M but not to a Sportsmans Coupé.
If, as it seems, it was a Microplas body for an Austin 7, the M's 6'6" wheelbase would be a tight fit and anything longer than that would be impossible.
Title: Re: NEH 2802
Post by: Carnut on January 20, 2014, 11:48:10 AM
Yes, indeed, it was built by Robert Cutts.
This puzzle dates from long ago, and I recall delving into it and finding information on another site as well, which did say it was a Sportsman Coupé originally, which is what I wrote in my file on this, although I think it would take some finding again.

I also reached the conclusion the body used was a Microplas Stiletto.

So, WayneB, you get your first Professional point for this one!
Well done, though I think without the words "Sportsman's Coupé" to Google I don't think you would have been able to find this, so I'm giving a point to Allan L as well for doing so much digging and finding that.