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Title: Solved -PJ591-Michele Lanza's Spider, 1921
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 11, 2014, 01:24:12 PM
What is this?
1 point for you!
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Post by: nicanary on February 11, 2014, 04:51:00 PM
French ?
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Post by: 4popoid on February 11, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Italian?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 12, 2014, 04:48:56 AM
Quote from: 4popoid on February 11, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
Italian?
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Post by: 4popoid on February 12, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
SCAT from about 1912?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 12, 2014, 02:35:28 PM
Not Scat and not from 1912.
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Post by: targhediferro on February 12, 2014, 02:38:04 PM
Aquila Italiana?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 12, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
Not an Aquila Italiana.
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Post by: 4popoid on February 13, 2014, 12:39:43 AM
Was this vehicle manufactured before 1916?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 05:20:04 AM
Not before.
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Post by: 4popoid on February 13, 2014, 03:18:49 PM
Is this a Zust from 1916/1917 (after late 1917 it would have carried the OM marque)?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
Not Zust or OM.
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Post by: 4popoid on February 13, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
Nazzaro?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 05:05:21 PM
Not Nazzaro.
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Post by: targhediferro on February 13, 2014, 05:09:46 PM
Iena?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
Not Iena.
I suggest a different strategy.  ;)
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Post by: 4popoid on February 13, 2014, 05:29:31 PM
Bianchi?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 05:38:22 PM
Not Bianchi.
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Post by: 4popoid on February 13, 2014, 05:44:25 PM
De Vecchi (later CMN)?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 05:50:25 PM
Not those.
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Post by: targhediferro on February 13, 2014, 05:51:34 PM
Fiat tipo 4?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 13, 2014, 05:53:09 PM
Not Fiat.
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Post by: 4popoid on February 13, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
Rapid (or STAR)?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 14, 2014, 02:48:31 AM
Not one of those.
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Post by: 4popoid on February 14, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
SPA?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on February 14, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
Not SPA.
I still suggest a different approach.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on March 02, 2014, 06:08:44 AM
This was not a production car, but the names behind it (builder, engine) are not that obscure.
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Post by: 4popoid on March 02, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
Was this vehicle a product of one of the many enterprises associated with one, or more, of the Ceirano brothers?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on March 03, 2014, 10:10:13 AM
Not related to Ceirano & C., Welleyes, F.lli Ceirano, STAR Rapid, Matteo C. & C., Itala, Ceirano-Ansaldo, SPA, Junior, SCAT or S.A.Giovanni Ceirano.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on March 08, 2014, 04:08:03 AM
Many new puzzles are waiting...time to solve the old ones!

This car was built by one man, not obscure, using the engine of a different brand, not obscure.
This man was later known for quite a different business but this is not the only vehicle he built, we already had at least two of them.
The engine cames from a car, already featured here only once. It's not a big car.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on March 26, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
In each article I found about this man and his cars, there is reported this one. It's one of the very few he made.
All the names involved are not obscure and already featured here.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on April 20, 2014, 06:45:27 AM
Easter gift: hmmm...you already have all you need here! The man who build this car estabilished a company, but they produced cars erratically.
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Post by: 4popoid on April 20, 2014, 08:58:03 PM
A car by Antonio Chiribiri?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on April 21, 2014, 02:40:54 AM
Not Chiribiri.
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Post by: 4popoid on April 21, 2014, 11:39:23 AM
A car by Nicola Romeo?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on April 21, 2014, 02:26:55 PM
Not him.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
This car was built nearly 25 years after his 1st car and the next one (his last) was already featured here and quite distinctive.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on May 03, 2014, 06:25:12 AM
I won't lock it after the name but once you'll find it you'll knew which model is this.
He built less than 10 cars and only 2 (this one and the 'quite distinctive' one) after WWI.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2014, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
This car was built nearly 25 years after his 1st car and the next one (his last) was already featured here and quite distinctive.
You are not paying attention here...
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Post by: Wendax on May 14, 2014, 04:07:41 PM
Any connection to Bernardi?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
Not Bernardi.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on June 05, 2014, 08:24:23 AM
Quote from: Wendax on May 14, 2014, 04:07:41 PM
Any connection to Bernardi?
...but his 1st car is more or less of the same age...
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 26, 2014, 12:05:34 PM
C'mon, there are no more clues for this...one of the 1st cars to be built in Italy plus some more car built now and then plus a very 'quirky' car built at the end...
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Post by: 4popoid on August 27, 2014, 12:02:23 AM
From the clues given, this must be one of the various cars by Michele Lanza (from about 1920), but I can't find a name for it.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2014, 04:12:44 AM
Exactly!
There is a generic (and probably unofficial) name but, since his cars were all one-offs, just tell me wich one is that...
It should be quite easy now...

Locked for 4popoid.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
Reading back previous replies and hints should be easy now, just tell me the engine it has and an approx year and we are done ;)
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Post by: 4popoid on August 28, 2014, 01:10:51 AM
Sorry this is so late PJ, but I have been away from my computer all day.

My only source of information is the internet, and I have been unable to locate any information on cars designed by Michele Lanza other than the early ones produced by his own company, and the last one (from information found on AutoPuzzles).  Nevertheless, based on your last post I think I have been able to narrow the engine possibilities down to three.  The one I have settled on is from a car produced 24 years after Lanza's first car, was featured once on AutoPozzles, which has a small displacement, and which was produced in Torino (Lanza's base of operations). 

Given the above, I'll say the puzzle car is: A torpedo (Vetturette?) by Michele Lanza using a two cylinder Temperino engine from about 1919.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2014, 05:50:10 AM
Right...a Temperino-engined car.
I'll post some detail next week!
Here's your point now!
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Post by: Paul Jaray on September 01, 2014, 06:09:06 AM
According to different sources it was built in 1921, 1920 according to others, but that's the car: a Spider 2-seater with a twin cylinder Temperino engine.
Point for you!