Solved -PJ591-Michele Lanza's Spider, 1921

Started by Paul Jaray, February 11, 2014, 01:24:12 PM

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Paul Jaray

Not SPA.
I still suggest a different approach.

Paul Jaray

This was not a production car, but the names behind it (builder, engine) are not that obscure.

4popoid

Was this vehicle a product of one of the many enterprises associated with one, or more, of the Ceirano brothers?

Paul Jaray

Not related to Ceirano & C., Welleyes, F.lli Ceirano, STAR Rapid, Matteo C. & C., Itala, Ceirano-Ansaldo, SPA, Junior, SCAT or S.A.Giovanni Ceirano.

Paul Jaray

Many new puzzles are waiting...time to solve the old ones!

This car was built by one man, not obscure, using the engine of a different brand, not obscure.
This man was later known for quite a different business but this is not the only vehicle he built, we already had at least two of them.
The engine cames from a car, already featured here only once. It's not a big car.

Paul Jaray

In each article I found about this man and his cars, there is reported this one. It's one of the very few he made.
All the names involved are not obscure and already featured here.

Paul Jaray

Easter gift: hmmm...you already have all you need here! The man who build this car estabilished a company, but they produced cars erratically.

4popoid

A car by Antonio Chiribiri?


4popoid

A car by Nicola Romeo?


Paul Jaray

This car was built nearly 25 years after his 1st car and the next one (his last) was already featured here and quite distinctive.

Paul Jaray

I won't lock it after the name but once you'll find it you'll knew which model is this.
He built less than 10 cars and only 2 (this one and the 'quite distinctive' one) after WWI.

Paul Jaray

Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
This car was built nearly 25 years after his 1st car and the next one (his last) was already featured here and quite distinctive.
You are not paying attention here...

Wendax

Any connection to Bernardi?


Paul Jaray

Quote from: Wendax on May 14, 2014, 04:07:41 PM
Any connection to Bernardi?
...but his 1st car is more or less of the same age...

Paul Jaray

C'mon, there are no more clues for this...one of the 1st cars to be built in Italy plus some more car built now and then plus a very 'quirky' car built at the end...

4popoid

From the clues given, this must be one of the various cars by Michele Lanza (from about 1920), but I can't find a name for it.

Paul Jaray

Exactly!
There is a generic (and probably unofficial) name but, since his cars were all one-offs, just tell me wich one is that...
It should be quite easy now...

Locked for 4popoid.

Paul Jaray

Reading back previous replies and hints should be easy now, just tell me the engine it has and an approx year and we are done ;)

4popoid

Sorry this is so late PJ, but I have been away from my computer all day.

My only source of information is the internet, and I have been unable to locate any information on cars designed by Michele Lanza other than the early ones produced by his own company, and the last one (from information found on AutoPuzzles).  Nevertheless, based on your last post I think I have been able to narrow the engine possibilities down to three.  The one I have settled on is from a car produced 24 years after Lanza's first car, was featured once on AutoPozzles, which has a small displacement, and which was produced in Torino (Lanza's base of operations). 

Given the above, I'll say the puzzle car is: A torpedo (Vetturette?) by Michele Lanza using a two cylinder Temperino engine from about 1919.

Paul Jaray

Right...a Temperino-engined car.
I'll post some detail next week!
Here's your point now!

Paul Jaray

According to different sources it was built in 1921, 1920 according to others, but that's the car: a Spider 2-seater with a twin cylinder Temperino engine.
Point for you!