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Title: Solved: PN #577 -- Jinan JN220 (or JN200)
Post by: pnegyesi on December 14, 2013, 11:13:24 AM
I hope this jeep will be easy. Tell me the brand name and model designation and the point is yours!
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 22, 2013, 01:47:18 AM
Experts?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2013, 01:07:37 AM
Easy pro point
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Post by: 4popoid on December 29, 2013, 06:39:40 AM
Chinese?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2013, 07:01:44 AM
yes
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Post by: 4popoid on December 29, 2013, 07:22:14 AM
Sanxing YJ2020?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2013, 07:29:43 AM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on December 29, 2013, 07:40:34 AM
Yanjing YJ2020?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2013, 11:42:20 AM
the puzzle car is much older
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Post by: 4popoid on December 29, 2013, 02:48:40 PM
Wuhan WH211?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2013, 03:17:30 PM
no, even older than that
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Post by: 4popoid on December 29, 2013, 06:10:57 PM
The oldest Chinese jeep I can think of is the Peking (Beijing) BJ212 of about 1965/'66.
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
even older than that
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Post by: 4popoid on December 30, 2013, 01:02:54 AM
I thought you were going to say that, and I really didn't think it closely resembled a BJ212.  It looks to me like the puzzle car most closely resembles a Nissan 4W60, which was manufactured 1951-1955.  Unfortunately, I can't determine that this model was produced anywhere except Hiratsuka, Japan.  It is certainly possible that this could be some sort of contemporary Chinese knock  off, but the only references that I can find for Chinese knock offs of the Nissan 4W60 are from much later. I am reluctant to invest much more time in this line of thinking if it is a blind alley.  So, is the puzzle vehicle related to a Nissan 4W60 from the early 1950's?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 30, 2013, 02:34:49 AM
I don't think there is any relation to the Nissan jeep.
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Post by: 4popoid on December 30, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
Changjiang (Yangtze River) 46, by Chang'an Factory of Chongqing, from about 1958?  My reference claims this to be "China's first jeep".
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 30, 2013, 11:56:33 PM
This one was also made in 1958 but not by Chang'an
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Post by: 4popoid on December 31, 2013, 01:05:01 AM
1958 Yue Loong YL-2?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 31, 2013, 01:31:04 AM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on December 31, 2013, 02:42:42 AM
Drat, I thought I had it with the Yue Loong (its brochure picture looks just like the puzzle car), although I should have known better as it was made in Taiwan, not mainland China. 

The only other Chinese jeep that I can find that dates back to 1958 is the Tianjin, but I haven't been able to find a photograph or model number.  Should I keep looking, or am I wasting my time with Tianjin?
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Post by: pnegyesi on December 31, 2013, 03:25:26 AM
unfortunately it is not a Tianjin.
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Post by: 4popoid on January 05, 2014, 01:31:52 AM
Is it a Yuejin model?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2014, 02:30:17 AM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on January 05, 2014, 06:17:25 AM
Is the puzzle vehicle related to a Mitsubishi Jeep, a post-1953 licensed derivation of the Willys CL-3?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 05, 2014, 06:31:30 AM
no

But as you are so persistent, let me offer you a clue: the company is still around under a different name and it is a manufacturer of other type of motoring vehicles
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Post by: 4popoid on January 05, 2014, 08:24:51 PM
Thanks for the clue.  It could prove very helpful.

Is the manufacturer that I am looking for: Liaocheng Vehicle Manufacturing and Repair Factory (now known as: Zhongtong Bus Holding Co., Ltd.), which was founded in 1958?  If so, I assume I must still find a different (not Liocheng) brand name, as well as model designation.
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 06, 2014, 12:10:25 AM
no, it's not that one, but you are heading into the right direction (the current company is not a bus manufacturer though)
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Post by: 4popoid on January 22, 2014, 01:19:19 AM
Is the manufacturer of the puzzle vehicle currently a part of the big FAW Group?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 22, 2014, 01:23:05 AM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on January 23, 2014, 02:03:21 AM
We have ruled out the two largest Chinese holding companies (Chang'an & FAW), so I'll try number three.  Is the manufacturer of the puzzle vehicle currently a part of the big Dongfeng Motor Corporation?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 23, 2014, 02:57:33 AM
Not part of Dongfeng. It is the biggest in its field
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Post by: 4popoid on January 23, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
Is the manufacturer of the puzzle vehicle currently a part of Loncin Holdings, Ltd?  Its Longxin Motorcycle Industry Co., Ltd.is reputed to be the largest motorcycle manufacturer in China.  I haven't been able to discover if they ever made vehicles like the puzzle car (although other divisions of the Loncin group make trucks), nor if they go back to at least 1958, but perhaps Longxin might be the brand I am looking for.
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 23, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
not motorcycles, but you mentioned the field where the manufacturer currently is the biggest (or one of the biggest)
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Post by: 4popoid on January 23, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
Well if I mentioned the current field of manufacture in my previous post, it must be trucks.  And, if they are the largest, or one of the largest in the truck field, and since we have already ruled out FAW, Dongfeng and Nanjing (Yuejin), I would guess China National Heavy Duty Truck Group Company Limited (CNHTC or Sinotruk Group) which is one of a few old enough to have produced the puzzle vehicle.  One of their early models was Huanghe (Yellow River), but the puzzle vehicle may have used another brand name.
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 24, 2014, 12:12:34 AM
It is locked for you. This was made by a company which evolved into the Sinotruk Group.
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Post by: 4popoid on January 24, 2014, 09:08:08 AM
Sinotruk evolved from Jinan Automobile Works.  Is this the name you are looking for?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 25, 2014, 01:27:33 PM
yes. Would you care to give a shot at the model designation?
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Post by: 4popoid on January 28, 2014, 01:37:48 AM
Well I'll give it a try, but I'm not have much luck coming up with former Jinan model numbers.  In fact, so far I have only been able to find one, JN150, which is the model number of the famous Huanghe truck of 1960.  The puzzle picture doesn't look anything like those I've seen of the Huanghe, although I suppose it could be some sort of prototype or variant.  Rather, since the puzzle vehicle is earlier (1958 vs 1960), I would guess that it carries a model number beginning with the letters JN, and having a number lower than 150.  Am I even close to being on the correct path? 
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 28, 2014, 03:06:20 AM
absolutely on the right path. It was a JN something - bigger than 150.
Still locked
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Post by: 4popoid on January 28, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
I think I have found a possibility.  I have a reference that says that Jinan produced a jeep in the 1950's.  Is the puzzle car a: Jinan JN220?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 28, 2014, 03:44:06 PM
And the point is yours. I have it as Jinan JN200, but the Sinotruk site refers to it as JN220.

Very good job!