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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2014 => Topic started by: Wendax on April 06, 2014, 02:18:16 AM
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Some months ago I started a group puzzle featuring patinated cars. Here's another one, not quite as wacky as the last one, but big enough to offer enough possibilities for confusion and wrong guesses. Below you can find 36 cars with visible history as well as 36 pictures waiting to be matched to the first set. Some combinations are straightforward, some are tricky.
For the beginning I will set a limit of 6 correctly found combinations per puzzler. Have fun!
The first batch:
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The second batch:
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The third batch:
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Here is the beginning of the second set of pictures which have to be mated to the pictures posted before:
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More:
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And finally:
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The place for correct answers:
A: Satam electric car - 26: S.A.T.A.M. advertisement (Ehhxekt)
B: Stanguellini 1100 S- Stanguellini Colibri (Paul Jaray)
C: 1921 Cyclauto - 18: 1938 Super Cyclauto Triporteur (Paul Jaray)
D: 1948 Playboy - 36: Hugh Hefner in his 1955 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible (Paul Jaray)
E: Beaman Jaguar - 24: Braunton beach (ropat53)
F: Volkswagen Norderney Dünenexpress - 14: Lightvessel "Norderney" (ropat53)
G: 1929 La Licorne - 21: La Comète by Robert Morin (pguillem)
H: Fiat-SPA TL37 - 23: Mercedes Benz 300 SEL 6.8 AMG at Spa-Francorchamps (ropat53)
I: Polycarters - 30: Renault R4 Super (targhediferro)
J: Ford Vedette Coupe- 4: Siam's Ford Vedette (Paul Jaray)
K: APAL Auki buggy - 17: Auki in the Solomon Islands (4popoid)
L: Barnard Formula Six Junior - 19: commercial van with a body by W. J. Pullen (Ehhxekt)
M: Fiat 850 Spider Vignale - 35: 1963 Vignale New Star Jet (Paul Jaray)
N: One-off special utilizing a '45 - '48 Standard 8 engine - 22: Standard 8 (4popoid)
O: Willam Bretta GLA - 29 Racing Lambrettas (Tom_I)
P: Thrif-T - 15: Onan factory (Paul Jaray)
Q: Graham Cavalier - 9: AMC Cavalier (Ehhxekt)
R: Sherwood - 12: Robin Hood S7 (Djetset)
S: Skoda 440 Spartax Polytex - 6: Skoda VOS railcar (targhediferro)
T: Renault Caravelle Butagaz - Buick Butagaz (pguillem)
U: Ranger Cub 4 - 2: Peugeot Cub (4popoid)
V: Standard Vanguard Pickup - 16: Vickers Vanguard (max)
W: Chenard & Walcker 22 Aigle - 34: Chenard & Walcker tractor /Ehhxekt)
X: Hispano-Suiza T60 by Capella - 32: Mazda Capella (Tom_I)
Y: BMW 502 V8 Cabriolet Autenrieth - 5: Mercedes-Benz 220 S Cabriolet (targhediferro)
Z: Autoar Pickup - 11: Cisitalia Abarth 850 (ropat53)
AA: Bruvo Buggy - 20: Devo yacht (4popoid)
AB: Monteverdi Sahara - 13: Lincoln Golden Sahara (targhediferro)
AC: Motobloc - 25: Motobloc Ami (4popoid)
AD: Rumpler Tropfenwagen - 28: Citroen Metropolis (4popoid)
AE: Nazar - 31: S. E. D. A. N. (pguillem)
AF: 1934 Mathis Emy4 - 1: Mathis VEL-333 (Paul Jaray)
AG: De Dion Bouton IV - 8: De Dion Bouton armoured car (targhediferro)
AH: CHatenet La Chatelaine - 10: Simca Aronde Chatelaine (Tom_I)
AI: 1927 Derby - 33: Volkswagen Derby (targhediferro)
AJ: Renault Sinpar R2065 - 03: CRS in May 1968 (SACO)
Points so far (will be awarded when puzzle is finished):
4popoid: 6
Djetset: 1
Ehhxekt: 4
max: 1
Paul Jaray: 7
pguillem: 3
ropat53: 4
SACO: 1
targhediferro: 6
Tom_I: 3
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23 jpg = AMG Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 at the 24 hours of Spa Francorchamps 1971
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V, 16 Standard Vanguard ute and Vickers Vanguard
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23 jpg = AMG Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 at the 24 hours of Spa Francorchamps 1971
Frederick, you have to find a pair of matching pictures. A single correct identification of a picture won't bring you anything, no points, no lock.
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V, 16 Standard Vanguard ute and Vickers Vanguard
Correct.
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Some weekend fun for our pros.
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C-18: A 1921 Cyclauto and a 1938 Super Cyclauto Triporteur
D-36: A 1948 Playboy and Hugh Hefner in his 1955 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible
M-35 A Fiat 850 Spider Vignale and 1963 Vignale's New Star Jet
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C-18: A 1921 Cyclauto and a 1938 Super Cyclauto Triporteur
D-36: A 1948 Playboy and Hugh Hefner in his 1955 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible
M-35 A Fiat 850 Spider Vignale and 1963 Vignale's New Star Jet
All correct!
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May I ask for correct pairings without revealing the cars, like P-15?
J-4: Ford Vedette 1948 and Siam's Ford Vedette
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May I ask for correct pairings without revealing the cars, like P-15?
I guess I will decide upon the situation. But this time your wish will be granted, the proposed pairing is correct.
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May I ask for correct pairings without revealing the cars, like P-15?
I guess I will decide upon the situation. But this time your wish will be granted, the proposed pairing is correct.
Ok, thank you:
J-4: Ford Vedette 1948 and Siam's Ford Vedette
P-15: Thrif-T 1955 by Tri-Wheel Motor and workers for a thrift shop
AF-1 : Mathis VEL-333 1946 and 1934 Mathis Emy4
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Ha Ha! I assume R (Sherwood) goes with 12 (Robin Hood S7); so Robin Hood of Sherwood (Forest) ;).
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J-4: Ford Vedette 1948 and Siam's Ford Vedette
Correct
P-15: Thrif-T 1955 by Tri-Wheel Motor and workers for a thrift shop
Car and pairing are correct, but there is more to#15 in order to get that point.
AF-1 : Mathis VEL-333 1946 and 1934 Mathis Emy4
Correct
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Ha Ha! I assume R (Sherwood) goes with 12 (Robin Hood S7); so Robin Hood of Sherwood (Forest) ;).
Correct! ;D
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Q appears to be a 1937 Graham Cavalier. I guess its pair should be #9, the 1966 AMC Cavalier concept car.
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Q appears to be a 1937 Graham Cavalier. I guess its pair should be #9, the 1966 AMC Cavalier concept car.
Correct!
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Is that assembly line from Springfield?
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The Thrift-T was powered by an Onan engine.
I found the Onan assembly line and it's quite different:
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That is the correct connection. Onan had several plants working. The picture shows their test room at the University plant in Minneapolis.
This is your sixth point. You have to rest for a while. Perhaps I will lift that restriction later on. Let's see how the others cope with this puzzle.
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Cool! Very nice puzzle!
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T: 1960 Renault Caravelle Fusée bodied by Chapron for the Butagaz promotional vehicle at the Tour de France - 27: Annie Cordy posing for the Buick Propagaz/Buragaz promotional vehicle at the 1954 Tour de France.
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T: 1960 Renault Caravelle Fusée bodied by Chapron for the Butagaz promotional vehicle at the Tour de France - 27: Annie Cordy posing for the Buick Propagaz/Buragaz promotional vehicle at the 1954 Tour de France.
A perfect answer.
We had the Caravelle in better shape before: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=9075.0
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Z=Autoar made in Argentina by Piero Dusio and 11=Abarth Allemano sold in Argentina as Cisitalia by Piero Dusio.
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Correct!
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30-I : number 30 is a Renault R4L Super, and "I" is a Polycarter, a fiberglass Renault 4.
6-S: two Skodas...the first is a VOS, the second a 440 Spartax Polytex.
33-AI: A Volkswagen Derby and a Derby from late '20s.
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30-I : number 30 is a Renault R4L Super, and "I" is a Polycarter, a fiberglass Renault 4.
6-S: two Skodas...the first is a VOS, the second a 440 Spartax Polytex.
33-AI: A Volkswagen Derby and a Derby from late '20s.
All correct!
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I want to try another guess....5-Y: Y is a Bmw 502 V8 phaeton by Autenrieth whose tail lights and rear bumper come from a Mercedes-Benz 220 S (number 5).
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I want to try another guess....5-Y: Y is a Bmw 502 V8 phaeton by Autenrieth whose tail lights and rear bumper come from a Mercedes-Benz 220 S (number 5).
Just my thoughts, well done!
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The place for correct answers:
J: Ford Vedette Coupe- 14: Siam's Ford Vedette (Paul Jaray)
Wendax there's a mistake in your list of correct answers, it should be 04: Siam's Ford Vedette, and not 14: that is a ship that I've identified, but still can't match.
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You are right!
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14: that is a ship that I've identified, but still can't match.
You can find part of the answer at AP. ;)
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G : could be a La Licorne; 21 is La Comèete by Robert Morin based on a La Licorne.
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I guess that AG could be a De Dion & Bouton model IM, from early '10...and number 8 seems to be an armoured De Dion from WWI.
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G : could be a La Licorne; 21 is La Comèete by Robert Morin based on a La Licorne.
Correct!
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I guess that AG could be a De Dion & Bouton model IM, from early '10...and number 8 seems to be an armoured De Dion from WWI.
AG is a De Dion Bouton IV, but your guess is close enough. The connection is right.
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31 seems to be a S. E. D. A. N. (Sociedad Española de Automóviles Nacionales S. A.) made by Factorías Nápoles, the maker of Nazar trucks.
AE is a Nazar ruck, probably a Super 7 from 1965
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A French quartet:
W looks like a Chenard & Walcker 22 Aigle with an unusual headlight treatment; #34 is a Chenard & Walcker tractor from 1931.
A: Satam electric car, introduced during the WW2 and produced by #26 S.A.T.A.M. (Société Anonyme pour Tous Appareillages Mécaniques), a petrol station equipment manufacturer.
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AD: Rumpler Tropfenwagen from the film Metropolis - 28: Citroen Metrooplis concept
U: Ranger Cub 4 three-wheeler pickup - 2: Peugeot Cub concept
K: APAL Auki buggy - Auki in the Solomon Islands
N: One-off special utilizing a '45 - '48 Standard 8 engine - 22: A '45 - '48 Standard 8
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31 seems to be a S. E. D. A. N. (Sociedad Española de Automóviles Nacionales S. A.) made by Factorías Nápoles, the maker of Nazar trucks.
AE is a Nazar ruck, probably a Super 7 from 1965
Correct!
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A French quartet:
W looks like a Chenard & Walcker 22 Aigle with an unusual headlight treatment; #34 is a Chenard & Walcker tractor from 1931.
A: Satam electric car, introduced during the WW2 and produced by #26 S.A.T.A.M. (Société Anonyme pour Tous Appareillages Mécaniques), a petrol station equipment manufacturer.
Well done!
Two more pictures of this beautiful barnfind:
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AD: Rumpler Tropfenwagen from the film Metropolis - 28: Citroen Metrooplis concept
Correct!
U: Ranger Cub 4 three-wheeler pickup - 2: Peugeot Cub concept
Correct, except that the Ranger Cub 4 is a four-wheeler. ;)
K: APAL Auki buggy - Auki in the Solomon Islands
I'm sure you got the right pair, but the number of the Auki picture is missing.
N: One-off special utilizing a '45 - '48 Standard 8 engine - 22: A '45 - '48 Standard 8
Correct!
The Ranger Cub 4 and the Standard-based one-off:
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OOOPS!
K: APAL Auki buggy - 17: Auki in the Solomon Islands
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OOOPS!
K: APAL Auki buggy - 17: Auki in the Solomon Islands
Yes.
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AC: I'm not sure, but I think this is a Motobloc car - 25: Motobloc Ami scooter
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AC: I'm not sure, but I think this is a Motobloc car - 25: Motobloc Ami scooter
Yes, in fact the car is a Motobloc Type SG from 1930.
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An interesting pair from Britain:
L is a Barnard Formula Six Junior kart racer from the sixties, #19 is a commercial van with a body by W. J. Pullen Ltd, supplied to the customer in 1919 – both were manufactured in the town of Sittingbourne, Kent.
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Very good!
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May I ask if the proposed pairing of X-3 is correct? I know the identity of both photos, but the connection seems a bit iffy.
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It is not the pairing I had in mind.
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I was afraid that that was going to be your reply. My second choice for an X paring is X-20, but this paring seemed even more iffy. Is this the paring that you had in mind?
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No, it isn't either.
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I think that AB is a Monteverdi Sahara, and number 13 is the cockpit of Lincoln Golden Sahara.
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I think that AB is a Monteverdi Sahara, and number 13 is the cockpit of Lincoln Golden Sahara.
That is your sixth correct guess. You have to stop now. Perhaps I will open this puzzle up again for you and Paul when the last IDs prove to be difficult. ;D
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F= Volkswagen Norderney dune express and 14= Feuerschiff "Norderney"
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F= Volkswagen Norderney dune express and 14= Feuerschiff "Norderney"
Yes, the Norderney Dünenexpress has recently arrived at Prototyp Museum in Hamburg in order to be restored. They already have the Volkswagen Express (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=19214) which also operated on Norderney.
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H= Fiat SPA TL37 and 23= Mercedes Benz 300 SEL 6.8 AMG at Spa-Francorchamps
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Correct!
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AA: Brova (Bruvo?) beach buggy (for VW base) - 22: Jan Haring sailboat
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AA: Brova (Bruvo?) beach buggy (for VW base) - 22: Jan Haring sailboat
Locked for you to name the connection.
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Not sure, but I think they were both produced in The Netherlands (I know the boat was).
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There is more to it. Still locked.
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Gee Gerd, I really can't find out anything about the beach buggy except for an eBay ad, which gives very little information except that it is GRP, and fits a VW. I know a bit more about the yacht, beside the posted ad, but not much. The yacht is steel, and built by DEVO in Hellevoetsluis.
My connection of both being made in The Netherlands was only speculation, but, if this is correct, I will go a bit further and speculate that perhaps the beach buggy was also a product of DEVO, since boat builders are frequently experts in GRP construction.
While we are on the subject of connection, can you relate the connection of H (Fiat SPA TL37) and 23 (M-B 300 SEL AMG)? I had identified both vehicles, but couldn't come up with a plausible connection.
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AA: Brova (Bruvo?) beach buggy (for VW base) - 22: Jan Haring sailboat
If you look for a Bruvo instead of Brova buggy, you will find the connection to DEVO. Still locked.
The connection between H and 23 was just the SPA-Spa similarity.
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I'm coming rather late to this party, but I'll try a link between O and 29, the link being Lambretta.
29 is a group of racing Lambretta scooters.
O looks like a variation of the Casalini Sulky, but doesn't seem to match exactly with Casalinis I have found, so I think it could be a Willam, possibly a Willam Bretta 125, which from the limited images I can find, uses those circular door handles.
The Willam versions were sold in France by Lambretta, MH Willam being the head of Lambretta's distribution operation in Paris,
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Oh Gerd, you are the master of not only identifying cars, but also unearthing obscure connections! Even with your clue, I was about to give up, but I managed to keep going, and have discovered the connection.
The connection is: Frits de Vos, an industrial designer. Frits de Vos, and his friend Bernard de Bruyn, founded Bruvo BV in 1968. The firm continued until 1972, producing about 300 units. Then, in 1976, de Vos founded Devo in Hellevoetsluis, where the Jan Haring sailboats were produced. Hence the connection between the Bruvo Buggy and the Jan Haring sailboat.
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I'm coming rather late to this party, but I'll try a link between O and 29, the link being Lambretta.
29 is a group of racing Lambretta scooters.
O looks like a variation of the Casalini Sulky, but doesn't seem to match exactly with Casalinis I have found, so I think it could be a Willam, possibly a Willam Bretta 125, which from the limited images I can find, uses those circular door handles.
The Willam versions were sold in France by Lambretta, MH Willam being the head of Lambretta's distribution operation in Paris,
Hello, Tom. I was already wondering whether you missed this puzzle. ;D
You are right with your guess. These racing Lambrettas match with a Willam Bretta which was the four-wheeled version of the Sulky. It is not a Bretta 125 though, but a Bretta GLA with a 49 cc engine.
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Oh Gerd, you are the master of not only identifying cars, but also unearthing obscure connections! Even with your clue, I was about to give up, but I managed to keep going, and have discovered the connection.
The connection is: Frits de Vos, an industrial designer. Frits de Vos, and his friend Bernard de Bruyn, founded Bruvo BV in 1968. The firm continued until 1972, producing about 300 units. Then, in 1976, de Vos founded Devo in Hellevoetsluis, where the Jan Haring sailboats were produced. Hence the connection between the Bruvo Buggy and the Jan Haring sailboat.
Spence, I have good news and bad news for you. The good ones first: you found the correct connection. The bad one: this is your sixth correct identification. You have to stop now placing guesses for this puzzle, at least for a while. :)
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I'm not sure about this, but I'll try X and 32.
32 is a Mazda Capella from the early 1970s.
X is a Hispano-Suiza T60 from the mid 1930s. I haven't been able to prove it, but does it have bodywork by Carrocerias Capella of Barcelona?
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I'm not sure about this, but I'll try X and 32.
32 is a Mazda Capella from the early 1970s.
X is a Hispano-Suiza T60 from the mid 1930s. I haven't been able to prove it, but does it have bodywork by Carrocerias Capella of Barcelona?
Yes, it is a Capella-bodied Hispano-Suiza. The connection is also correct, of course.
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The limit of 6 correct guesses has been lifted, so 4popoid, Paul Jaray and targhediferro can join in again.
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Is B-7 a correct pair? B is driving me mad!
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Yes :)
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It's a Stanguellini then? Can't find the right model!
However, 7- Is the Guzzi-powered Stanguellini Colibrì. B- Should be another Stanguellini. I'll try to find (again) the right model.
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Is AH-3 a correct pair? I suspect it might be, but can't find a common connection.
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It's a Stanguellini then? Can't find the right model!
However, 7- Is the Guzzi-powered Stanguellini Colibrì. B- Should be another Stanguellini. I'll try to find (again) the right model.
Yes, 7-B locked for you.
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Is AH-3 a correct pair? I suspect it might be, but can't find a common connection.
Sorry, but with now only three pairs to find I will not answer any pairing questions without identifications.
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It's a Stanguellini then? Can't find the right model!
However, 7- Is the Guzzi-powered Stanguellini Colibrì. B- Should be another Stanguellini. I'll try to find (again) the right model.
Yes, 7-B locked for you.
Ok, I hope it's a '750' like the one in the following pic (that is the closest I found so far...).
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Yes, it is.
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Are perhaps J-10 a couple of Mercury's backs?
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Are perhaps J-10 a couple of Mercury's backs?
Sorry, but J was already identified as a Ford Vedette Cóupé and found its counterpart.
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It's a Stanguellini then? Can't find the right model!
However, 7- Is the Guzzi-powered Stanguellini Colibrì. B- Should be another Stanguellini. I'll try to find (again) the right model.
Yes, 7-B locked for you.
Ok, I hope it's a '750' like the one in the following pic (that is the closest I found so far...).
Sorry, Paul, I just had another look at my solution. It is not a Stanguellini 750 S, but a Stanguellini xxxx S. Have another guess!
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Oh, well...I guess it's a 1100S, then. ;)
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That is the one.
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I believe AH is an invalid car by Automobiles Gateau of Machecoul, France. Picture 3 is a photograph taken during the Paris student riots of May 1968, some of which were at, or near, the L'Hôtel national des Invalides. Therefore I'll try: AH-3 with the connection being invalids/invalides.
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Sorry, AH is not a Gateau and not an invalid carriage.
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Another day, another theory.
I think AJ is is an early Land Rover 90/110, which, if studied closely, appears to be fitted with extended breathing/exhaust tubing (snorkel) for passing through high water. 24 is a photograph of American Sherman tanks, used in the 1944 invasion of Normandy, which are fitted with large rear intake/exhaust ducts for coming ashore in high water. Therefore, I'll try: AJ-24, with the connection being vehicles modified for operation in high water.
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Sorry, AJ is not a Land Rover, while 24 shows indeed a Sherman tank like it was used in the Normandy invasion.
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Clarification please. Is my connection theory (high water) correct, and I just have the wrong marque for AJ, or does the pairing have nothing to do with Sherman tanks that just happen to have high water traversing capability?.
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The high water traversing capability is not part of the solution to any of the pairings left.
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A hint: the remaining pairings have to do with a name, a place and a car's user.
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I'll try AH-3 again, but with a different connection. AH could be a Marden minicar manufactured in Paris (Neuilly), while, as I said previously, 3 is a photograph taken during the Paris student riots of May 1968. Therefore the connection is a place, namely, Paris.
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Wrong car, wrong connection
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To solve the last ones, you have to identify the car first I think.
E has been featured at AutoPuzzles before (in a better shape),
AH is a French microcar,
AJ is not British.
Any identification of these cars will earn you a lock.
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AJ:Renault Simpar 2065 for French police - 03 : CRS ( French police ) in action Mai 1968 ?
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Correct (except that it is Sinpar)
Two left!
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I have been thinking for some time that AH might be an Erad, which is/was produced in Aniche, near Calais. The only connection I could think of was 24, which has already been established as American Sherman amphibious tanks used in the invasion of Normandy. The problem I have is the invasion wasn't at Calais, although a diversionary invasion was carried out there. Since it is the only remaining connection I see, I'll try AH-24, with the connection being northern France.
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It is not an Erad, and big hint: the Sherman tank is not pictured in Normandy!
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Yes, I'm well aware of where the picture was taken. I just can't figure out what to tie it to, as I can't figure out what E is. Is E a British marque?
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E is British
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Duncan Healey for E ?
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Neither a Duncan nor Healey based
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E= Beaman Jaguar Special base on a Mk IX, made by Beaman Bodyworks at Braunton, North Devon and 24= Sherman tank at Braunton, North Devon, with British and American troops practising amphibious landings in preparation for D-Day.
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A perfect answer!
Who will find the last connection?
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Might AH be a Ligier Nova? If so, perhaps it shares the Nova model name with 10 (Chevrolet Nova?).
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Not a Ligier
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Is 10 a European marque?
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yes
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Is 10 perhaps a Hotchkiss Gregoire?
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A hint: the remaining pairings have to do with a name, a place and a car's user.
The place (Braunton) and the user (CRS) are gone.
Is 10 perhaps a Hotchkiss Gregoire?
No
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Yes, I understand I am looking for a name (I was thinking Gregoire), but it is difficult if you don't know the identity of either vehicle. I assume that the name is a person's name, as opposed to a manufacturers name, although they could be the same (Peugeot, Citroen, Renault). You have said that AH is a French microcar, and we have established that 10 is European. Is 10 also a French vehicle?
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Yes, and as a final hint: it would have been more appropriate if I had used this picture instead of #10:
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At last something starts to make sense! After looking at thousands of pictures of French microcars, I now realise that I have seen AH, but the photo was so small that I didn't recognise it.
Anyway, the final hint picture is a Simca 9 Aronde, the 2-door estate version of which was called the "Châtelaine". I now see that #10 is also a Simca Aronde, but it looks to be the "Coach" model (2-door pillarless coupé).
AH is a "La Chatelaine", the first model of microcar made from about 1985 onwards by Automobiles Chatenet of Pierre-Buffière near Limoges in west-central France.
So I think the link is the name "Chatelaine".
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A perfect answer brings this puzzle to an end.
Well done, gentlemen!
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Pointes awarded.
Congratulations, Paul, for passing the 1500 mark! :drink:
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Cool puzzle!
I'm working on a group puzzle as well... ;)