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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2014 => Topic started by: Wendax on October 17, 2013, 03:50:07 PM

Title: Solved: Wendax 1041 - Sigma Type V
Post by: Wendax on October 17, 2013, 03:50:07 PM
Just a chassis, but you will find out what it is.  ;)

For one point, please respond and identify this car.
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: Wendax on October 24, 2013, 02:37:40 AM
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Post by: Wendax on October 31, 2013, 03:33:28 AM
up again
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: targhediferro on October 31, 2013, 04:41:32 AM
It looks like the wheel is quite advanced and the radiator is positioned on the left side of the chassis...was it a French taxi or a little van?
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: Wendax on October 31, 2013, 05:00:54 AM
It is French. No idea what bodywork it once had.
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: targhediferro on October 31, 2013, 06:04:52 AM
The radiator looks like the Sigma's one...but I never found a Sigma with that kind of chassis.  Is it perhaps a car built with pieces coming from different cars?
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: Wendax on October 31, 2013, 06:09:14 AM
It is a Sigma.

Locked for you.
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: Wendax on October 31, 2013, 06:16:23 AM
That's what is left of the body:
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: targhediferro on October 31, 2013, 06:43:53 AM
Well, with these picture I have no doubt...the car is...a wrech!  There are not many notices about this marque on the net; I understand that it began to build cars in 1913 using Malicet & Blin engines; after the first WW, Sigma built quite conventional cars both with CIME, SCAP and Ballot engines, from 800 to 1600 cc.
I have a pair of Sigma pictures in my archive, and the 20 cv is the one I think has some point in common with puzzle car, such as radiator and wheels.  So that's my guess, Sigma 20cv tourer, 1925.
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: Wendax on October 31, 2013, 06:49:58 AM
A little bit older, and I only have a type designation, no CV size, and I have the engine maker.
Give me the year and the engine maker, and the point is yours.
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: targhediferro on October 31, 2013, 10:19:10 AM
I've no clue but, as Cime produced little engines, I suppose it provided the two cilinder version, and the quiz car is a four cilinder, so I take Cime off the list. I'm not able to see differences between a Scap or Ballot engines; both these makers produced car for normal use and for races.  This other picture that I post, has a 1921 caption...so I guess Ballot (alphabetical order), 1921.
Title: Re: Wendax 1041
Post by: Wendax on October 31, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Spot on!
I found it as a 1921 Sigma Type V with a Ballot engine. Regarding the "Var" sign, the seat and its position, it looks as if it was converted to some kind of tractor sometimes in its life.
Title: Solved: Wendax 1245 - Sigma Type V
Post by: Wendax on May 07, 2014, 02:12:01 AM
Google SBI didn't find it, do you?

For one point, please respond and identify this car.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 14, 2014, 02:13:24 AM
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Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 02:26:57 AM
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Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 02:41:35 AM
From Europe?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 02:45:51 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 02:55:02 AM
French marque?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 03:02:49 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 03:07:22 AM
Schmidlin cyclecar from about 1925?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: pnegyesi on May 21, 2014, 03:26:15 AM
A Violet?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 03:36:21 AM
Twice no
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 04:03:48 AM
A Spidos from about 1923?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 05:10:51 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: pnegyesi on May 21, 2014, 05:13:39 AM
short-living manufacturer?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 05:17:27 AM
No, it existed more than ten years.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
A  S.C.A.P. from about 1923?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 12:14:21 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 12:45:24 PM
You say this manufacturer "existed more than ten years".  Was this manufacturer in business both before and after WWI?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 01:22:35 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 21, 2014, 02:15:50 PM
I can't find any pictures, but might this be an Enders?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2014, 04:29:49 PM
No, it isn't.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 22, 2014, 01:28:04 AM
Did this car use an engine from an outside manufacturer such as SCAP?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 22, 2014, 01:53:28 AM
Yes, it did use an engine from another manufacturer, but not from SCAP.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 23, 2014, 01:04:45 AM
Is the engine manufacturer Ballot?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 23, 2014, 02:41:40 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: nicanary on May 23, 2014, 06:39:37 AM
Guess - Zeiller et Fournier ?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 23, 2014, 06:50:19 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 23, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Is the puzzle car a Sigma?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 23, 2014, 11:06:21 AM
Yes, locked for you to name the type.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 23, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
I am away from my primary reference computer until this evening, but as I recall there were two sizes of Ballot engined Sigmas.  This car looks rather light, so I will try the smaller engine version, an: 8CV.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 23, 2014, 11:41:27 AM
Not an 8 CV. I need not only the CV classification, but the type designation, too.

Still locked for you.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 24, 2014, 01:31:44 AM
I have had very little time to work on this puzzle today, but this is what I have found so far. 

With regard to CV, as I said before, I had two choices.  Since it Was not the 8CV, it must be the 20CV.

With regard to type designation, So far I have only been able to determine three types.  Specifically, Type R (1913-1916), Type V (1919-1924) and Type L (1925-1928).  I have not been able to find other types, including something for the 1917-1918 period, but, because that period was during WWI, there may have been a gap in the production.  I have been able to locate a photograph which more closely resembles the puzzle car than any photograph of the above type designations, but, unfortunately, this photograph has no type designation, only the caption "1913 Torpedo Speedster".  Since I am not sure that a letter type is required, I will say the puzzle car type is a: "Torpedo Speedster".  However if a letter type is required, based on the time frame of the discovered "Torpedo Speedster" photograph, I would guess that the puzzle car is a: Type R.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 24, 2014, 01:36:39 AM
It is not a 20 CV and not a Type R, but one of the other types you mentioned.
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: 4popoid on May 24, 2014, 01:43:05 AM
Well, I did find a 10CV, Type V mentioned, but since it had no picture, and contradicted multiple other sources, I discounted it.  So, 10CV Type V?
Title: Re: Wendax 1245
Post by: Wendax on May 24, 2014, 01:55:37 AM
That's the correct one.