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Title: Solved: Wendax 1278 - Opel (?) Cabriolet by Schlesienwerk
Post by: Wendax on June 08, 2014, 02:07:17 AM
I'm not absolutely sure about the base car, but I do know the coachbuilder.

For one point, please respond and identify (at least) the coachbuilder of this car.
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 15, 2014, 01:16:36 PM
up
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Post by: AlexFrance on June 18, 2014, 04:59:26 PM
Is it French?
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Post by: Wendax on June 18, 2014, 05:08:36 PM
No
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Post by: oko94 on June 18, 2014, 06:31:40 PM
Sodomka ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 19, 2014, 02:09:56 AM
No
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 02:20:41 AM
up again
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 02:24:12 AM
German coachbuilder?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
Yes
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 03:03:44 AM
Karosseriefirma Gläser of Dresden?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 03:26:37 AM
No, less known
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Post by: targhediferro on June 26, 2014, 06:36:04 AM
Perhaps a Brennabor?...Just to help to find the coachbuilder.
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 06:40:34 AM
As I said in the initial post, I'm not sure about the base car.
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 11:56:52 AM
Is the coachbuilder located in Berlin, or one of its suburbs?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
No
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Is the coachbuilder located in territory that was once the DDR?
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
No
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 03:44:16 PM
Is the coachbuilder located south of an east-west line passing through (and including) Frankfurt?
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Depends on which Frankfurt you think of.  ;)
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Ooops, sorry, I was thinking of Frankfurt am Main.
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
Not south of that Frankfurt
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Post by: 4popoid on June 26, 2014, 05:39:53 PM
OK, we have now established that the German coachbuilder is not located in:

1. Berlin or its suburbs
2. The former DDR
3. Frankfurt am Main
4. South of Frankfurt am Main

So is the coach builder located west of a north-south line running through Frankfurt am Main?
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 27, 2014, 02:07:48 AM
No
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Post by: 4popoid on June 27, 2014, 02:46:22 AM
Well, that's a surprise, most of my possibilities were northwest of Frankfurt am Main.  Now that we have established that the coachbuilder is/was located northeast of Frankfurt am Main, presumably south of Frankfurt an der Oder, and not in either Berlin or the former territory of the DDR, the possibilities have been greatly reduced.  Based on this isolation, is the coachbuilder of the puzzle car Hermann Harmening of Bückeburg?
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 27, 2014, 03:00:09 AM
No
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Post by: 4popoid on June 27, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Geographically it seems a bit too far north, but I'm wondering if this vehicle isn't a product of: Carosseriewerk Gebrüder Jacobi of Hanover.  It has several design clues that resemble their work.

If it is Jacobi, I would speculate (I understand you don't know the chassis maker) the chassis might be a Stoewer.  I know Jacobi did a Stoewer V5, but I don't think this is it.  However, I think it could be a Stoewer F6, from 1927/1928, given the appearance of the wheels, and the cowl mounted fuel filler.
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 28, 2014, 02:55:02 AM
Not by Jacobi, not from Hanover
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Post by: 4popoid on June 28, 2014, 11:46:07 AM
Perhaps by F.W. Utermöhle of Hildesheim?
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 28, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
No.

Let me give a hint: geographically you are far off.
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Post by: 4popoid on June 28, 2014, 03:01:31 PM
From Hesse?
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Post by: Wendax on June 28, 2014, 04:18:56 PM
No
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Post by: 4popoid on June 28, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
Wow!  If I'm way off at Hildesheim, have already ruled out the DDR territory, west & south of Frankfurt am Main, and now all of Hesse, what's left?  Extreme northern Bavaria, say around Coburg?  Maybe Trutz?
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Post by: Wendax on June 29, 2014, 03:12:33 AM
Not Bavaria
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Post by: 4popoid on June 29, 2014, 08:29:43 AM
My geography has apparently failed me, as I see nothing left.

Rhineland Palatinate, and Saarland, are completely west of Frankfurt am Main.
Baden-Württemberg is entirely south of Frankfurt am Main.
Thuringia and Sachsen-Anhalt were DDR.
Hesse and Bavaria, as well as Berlin, have been ruled out.
The only partial states remaining east of Frankfurt am Main, and south of Frankfurt an der Oder, are the extreme east of North Rhine-Westphalia, and the extreme south of Lower-Saxony, neither of which would I describe as being "geographically you are far off" from Hildesheim.

What have I overlooked, or what answer have I misconstrued?
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 29, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Think of Germany at the time of this car.  ;)
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Post by: 4popoid on June 29, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: Wendax on June 29, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Think of Germany at the time of this car.  ;)

Am I correct in interpreting this to mean that the coachbuilder was located in a part of what is currently the state of Hesse, but was not part of Hesse at the time of the vehicle's construction?  For example, the city of Kassel.
Title: Re: Wendax 1278
Post by: Wendax on June 29, 2014, 03:10:30 PM
No, but the main principle of temporal changes of boundaries should be followed.
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Post by: Tom_I on June 29, 2014, 04:21:40 PM
Based in a town which was part of Germany when this car was built, but which is now in Poland?
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Post by: Wendax on June 29, 2014, 04:39:55 PM
Yes, you got my hint.
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Post by: 4popoid on June 29, 2014, 05:56:51 PM
Ah, from Silesia.  Obviously I hadn't thought about Poland, only DDR.  Perhaps a coachbuilder from Breslau?
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Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 02:04:55 AM
Not from Breslau
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Post by: 4popoid on June 30, 2014, 02:46:47 AM
Within 50 km of Breslau (Wroclaw)?
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Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 02:53:56 AM
More than 50, less than 100
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Post by: 4popoid on June 30, 2014, 03:09:31 AM
Within 50 km of the present German-Polish border?
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Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 04:12:41 AM
No
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Post by: targhediferro on June 30, 2014, 05:03:49 AM
Karlux?
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Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 05:23:25 AM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2014, 05:28:05 AM
from Liegnitz?
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Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 05:44:03 AM
Yes  :)
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2014, 06:00:42 AM
SS Schlesienwerk?
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Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 06:25:54 AM
Yes, correct. To avoid misinterpretations, SS stood for Seehausen & Staar.

I think the base car could be an Opel.

I'll add the original picture tonight.
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 1278 - Opel (?) Cabriolet by Schlesienwerk
Post by: Wendax on June 30, 2014, 12:36:32 PM
Here it is. The picture was part of the postcard from August 1930. I can't decipher everything, but the writer talks about his new Cabriolet and a conversion of a van to a car, but I'm not sure whether that is a different car.