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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2014 => Topic started by: Wendax on January 04, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
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Another one I don't know. I took the picture in 2010 at the Manoir de l'automobile in Lohéac, Brittany. It is probably a French racing car. I only have an idea what it could be based on.
For one point, please respond and prove your identification.
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I do not know, but here´s another pic:
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Thanks! You've been there last year?
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No, I´ve been there in ca. 2005.
I´ve just found this pic while doing research...
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More than one year withaout a reply from the pros. Open to all.
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Simca based ?
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Yes, I think so looking at the wheels. That's the only clue I have. :(
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the engine is from a a Simca 8.
Monopole?
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the engine is from a a Simca 8.
That would underline my guess about its base.
Monopole?
As I said in the opening text, I don't know anything about that car. I took the photo at the museum but didn't find anyone able to answer any questions about the car. So, identifications have to be proven.
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This could well turn out to be a black-hole candidate. I have checked photo records for Le Mans - in 1949 there was a Simca-engined special entered by Ecurie Verte for Gay/Baboin which had a modern-style barquette body, but the wheel-arches are the wrong shape, and it was powered by a 569cc engine. The whole body swung up for engine access, hinged at the rear.
A car which had a similar body to the "mystery" car was in the 1950 race but was Renault 4CV powered. Built and raced by Pierre Ferry it had the engine at the front.
Anyone got pics of French small sports-racers in other races of the period?
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Perhaps this Simca non-qualified for Le Mans 1951 ( Deblon et Daguet )?
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There is certainly a big similarity. Two details keep me from agreeing instantly: I can't recall that the Lohéc car was RHD. I will have a look tonight if I have further notes on that car. Secondly, the top of the grill on the Deblon/Daguet car is on one height with the top of the headlights, while the grill on the Lohéac car is in a deeper position. Maybe the front mask was altered, maybe it is another car.
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A closer look at grob's picture makes me think that the Lohéac car is LHD what the Deblon/Daguet car isn't:
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Preserved in the black hole for future Simcarchaeologists...
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:D
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What's this, where and when , for 1 point ? :)
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Experts !
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Simca?
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Yes ! :)
Locked for you !
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I have no idea... pleas unlock it... :-\
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Unlocked !
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1951 "24 h du Mans" Simca de Deblon et Daguet.
The car didn't start the race.
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Yes !
An other point for you !
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The car stood at 2014 Techno Classica at Galerie des Damiers´booth.
It seems to be the Deblon / Daguet car, that raced at Le Mans, indeed.
I realized the fact that was this puzzle car only after the event, so I did not ask for details... :(
But these are the three (mobile) photos I made:
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Great! Finally solved after more than two years! Funny, how the joint I thought to be the steering now has moved to the other side. Mechanics was never my strong point.
I declare this puzzle solved and I think it to be fair to split the two Black Hole points, so SACO and you get both one.
:applause:
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Thank you!
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Looks like it's up for auction, wrongly claiming to have taken part in the race. Chassis serial #14.50.63.
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Merged
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The car is restored now and was auctioned for 200,000 €. The body is said to be by Motto.
The auctioneer's blurb:
Chassis n° 14-50-63
- Aluminium body built in Italy
- Superb quality restoration
- Straightforward mechanics
- Entered for the 1951 Le Mans 24 Hours
In 1950, Jean Estager, an established driver and friend of Louis Rosier, decided to transform a Simca Eight chassis into a race car, as others had done at the time. The car was fitted with Deho-Dubonnet aluminium shock absorbers, aluminium steering box and ventilated alloy drum brakes. The 1086cc engine was prepared by Simca specialist Roger Deho. For the body of this sporty machine, Jean Estager turned to the Italian coachbuilder based in Milan, Motto, renowned for building competition barchettas. He constructed a simple, slender aluminium body, in the style of other cars that could be found on the route of the Mille Miglia.
Christian Huet has confirmed us that Jean Estager passed with the car the French administration road test (Mines n°181050) and registered the car on his name with the number 581 G 63.
In 1951, Jean Estager sold the car to Max Deblon, who wasted no time in entering his new acquisition for the Le Mans 24 Hour Race, scheduled for 23 and 24 June. Despite being entered with number 74 and the drivers Deblon-Daguet, the car didn't make it to the start line. It did participate in various sporting events, however, notably on the circuit at Montlhéry during 1953.
Rediscovered in the 2000s by Christopher Pund, the " hunter " of original automobiles, the car was found in " barnfind " condition, incomplete but still with its special chassis and original body. It was later sold to an important Delahaye collector who launched into a full restoration of the car. The engine was rebuilt and modified for racing. Bored out to 1 220 cc, it was fed by two Solex 32 PBIC carburettors on an Abarth manifold. The aluminium oil sump of 6 liter and oil filler are the original Deho ones.
This pretty barchetta is interesting for its aluminium body, shaped by hand in the Motto workshop in the best Italian sporting traditions. Our collector has left the interior of the driver's door patinated to recall the condition the car was found in. Fresh from a €100,000 restoration, this superb barchetta boasts a simple design, a light weight and reliability, advantages in historic racing that its future owner will be able to exploit.
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:thumbsup: