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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2014 => Topic started by: Wendax on October 25, 2012, 02:17:49 AM
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It has a nice patina.
For one point, please respond and identify this car.
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Butz?
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Not a Butz
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I know this is probably terribly off the mark but I cannot resist a swing.
It could almost pass for a 1932ish Tatra 57 by the look of the motor hood and
the front suspension. However, the 57 was air cooled and this one seems to
have a radiator cap in the normal position. It is also LHD and most 57s I have
seen were RHD.
Just rambling.
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It's not a Tatra
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up
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up again
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German?
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Yes
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Is this one anything to do with Josef Ganz?
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Yes, there is a connection.
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via Standard Superior?
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The puzzle car is a Standard, but not a Superior. Locked for you.
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The puzzle car is a Standard, but not a Superior. Locked for you.
Thanks.
Haven't been able to find too many Standard models though..
Some kind of very early prototype 500 (Volkswagen!)?
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Let me give you a hint: The rear part of this vehicle is more of a utilitarian type.
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Well, I started out with a Tatra connection which did not work, although the designer did work with Tatra before the whole VW story which has spawned many books and a large lawsuit.
To try to help Norman out, and I am totally lost after hours of looking at the whole story of Ganz, Standard , Gutbrod and Butz, it looks to me to be
a Taxi, a Limousine or a Lieferwagen.
Go for it Norman!!!!!
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Well, I started out with a Tatra connection which did not work, although the designer did work with Tatra before the whole VW story which has spawned many books and a large lawsuit.
To try to help Norman out, and I am totally lost after hours of looking at the whole story of Ganz, Standard , Gutbrod and Butz, it looks to me to be
a Taxi, a Limousine or a Lieferwagen.
Go for it Norman!!!!!
Thanks Bill. I've also spent far too many hours trawling the net in both English and German but really haven't come up with the answer. I did find a German site which mentioned the Standard trucks but sadly without a picture or any name..
All I did find was that when the Standard Superior went out of production in 1935 the factory concentrated on vans and estate cars until 1939, but no-one mentions their names and I haven't found any pictures of them. Moto-Standard perhaps? Frankly though the puzzle picture looks pre-Standard Superior to me rather than 1935/9..
If anyone else knows anything they are welcome to add their piece!
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Ok, open for all again.
BTW, it is from 1936.
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Standard LKW?!
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Yes, it is a Standard, but LKW just means Lastkraftwagen (= truck). I need a model designation.
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Yes, it is a Standard, but LKW just means Lastkraftwagen (= truck). I need a model designation.
I know, but it's not beyond manufacturers to simply call their vehicles by what they are...
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Standard 1,5 Tonner?
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No
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H 504?
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Almost, this one is the smaller engined version. Locked for you.
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Should be the H 204 then:
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Yes, it is. One more point for you.
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I Googled endlessly for "Standard Lieferwagen" and what came up? Nothing!
Useless bloody Google...
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I Googled endlessly for "Standard Lieferwagen" and what came up? Nothing!
Useless bloody Google...
"Standard" is a horrible name to google, "Gutbrod" would have been better.
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I Googled endlessly for "Standard Lieferwagen" and what came up? Nothing!
Useless bloody Google...
"Standard" is a horrible name to google, "Gutbrod" would have been better.
I see.
I just tried Googling for "Standard Lieferwagen", "Standard H 204", "Standard Lieferwagen H 204", "Standard Vierrad-Eil-Lieferwagen", same plus "H 204" then all of them with and without "1936" and got.... nothing at all.
I think to get a result on this vehicle you need to be in Germany; no wonder I couldn't solve it.
I'll try using Gutbrod as you suggest, although I did try that with many different additions whilst the puzzle was locked for me, again without success of course.. I think this one needed books, and there really aren't many books in UK with much on these vehicles..
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Yes, I did get a result using "Gutbrod".
But you had said it was a Standard of course...
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I think to get a result on this vehicle you need to be in Germany; no wonder I couldn't solve it.
I'll try using Gutbrod as you suggest, although I did try that with many different additions whilst the puzzle was locked for me, again without success of course.. I think this one needed books, and there really aren't many books in UK with much on these vehicles..
Don't really. You're right about saying it's easier to search this in German but it's not impossible in English either. Once you have the Gutbrod part, both Gutbrod AND Standard give quick results of special interest pages. On Google.de it pops up first.
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I just tried your suggestion and it was slightly more successful, but still only produced 2 results a long way down. At least one of them was a good one - the Gutbrod-Standard.de forum which I'd never been offered before!
I also went via Google.de but got identical results..
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Impossible to solve? I don't think so.
For one point, please respond and identify this little van.
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up
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Swing arm rear suspension VW base
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No VW underneath
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German and front-engined?
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German, but not front-engined
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A Mercedes Benz, perhaps, with the 1930s backbone chassis and side-valve engine?
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Not a Mercedes-Benz
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up again
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Is it electric ?
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Built in the DDR, or in territory that that would later become part of the DDR?
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Is it derived from a Tempo militar staff car?
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Is it electric ?
No
Built in the DDR, or in territory that that would later become part of the DDR?
No
Is it derived from a Tempo military staff car?
No
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So the engine is in the rear, but it's not a conventional piston engine ?
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I never said it was unconventional.
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Is this retro-look truck built on an NSU Prinz chassis?
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I never said it was unconventional.
I know. That was just a poorly worded question, sorry !
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Is this retro-look truck built on an NSU Prinz chassis?
It is as old as it looks and there is no NSU underneath.
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Hansa 500
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No. I don't think any Hansa 400/500 survived. :(
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was this by a known producer of passenger cars and trucks?
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Yes
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Stoewer ?
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No
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Apart from this vehicle, did the brand build other rear-engined vehicles ?
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Yes
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Hanomag ?
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No
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any connections to Josef Ganz?
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Yes!
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Gutbrod?
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No, but very close
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Gutbrod, from about 1936?
Sorry. I missed the previous reply.
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Standard Superior
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Bungartz Butz?
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Standard Superior
Standard Superior
I need a model though.
Bungartz Butz?
No, that's another car without known survivors :(
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Standard Hermes
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Standard Hermes
Almost, a tiny bit later
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Standard HV504?
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Standard HV504?
Close, but the other one ;)
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Standard H204?
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Yes! Built in 1936 and powered by a gigantic 200 cc engine.
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While restoring some of the lost pictures in my solved puzzles I noticed that this puzzle was a repost of another puzzle of mine, at least with a different picture :)
Please merge with http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=22274.0
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Another survivor:
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And another one: