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Title: Solved: Wendax 999 - Volkswagen Bus on Kübelwagen chassis (probably) by Deckwerth
Post by: Wendax on September 04, 2013, 02:27:13 AM
I have a name of somebody who built several similar vehicles, so I think he was responsible for this one, too.

For one point, please respond and identify the (assumed) builder and the technical base.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 11, 2013, 02:47:49 AM
up
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 01:47:51 AM
up again
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Post by: targhediferro on September 18, 2013, 01:57:13 AM
Palten?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 02:16:12 AM
No
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Post by: targhediferro on September 18, 2013, 03:40:03 AM
Balcan?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 03:50:19 AM
No
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Post by: targhediferro on September 18, 2013, 04:08:36 AM
Schreiner & Sohne?
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 04:24:31 AM
from Austria?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 08:06:53 AM
Quote from: targhediferro on September 18, 2013, 04:08:36 AM
Schreiner & Sohne?
No

Quote from: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 04:24:31 AM
from Austria?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 08:10:35 AM
Dutch?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 08:23:28 AM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 08:47:16 AM
Swiss?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 09:13:24 AM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
German?
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Post by: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 10:54:28 AM
Fleischer?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
German?
Yes

Quote from: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 10:54:28 AM
Fleischer?
Good guess, but no.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 11:24:50 AM
the shape of the split screen doesn't look VW-T1-wise...
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
I think a genuine VW T1 transporter wouldn't have made it to the pros. ;)
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 11:31:42 AM
Is it 100% German? Coachwork and technical base?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 11:38:26 AM
Jawohl!
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
based on something east German?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 12:59:59 PM
Quote from: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
based on something east German?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
based on a Lloyd?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 02:15:22 PM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
based on a DKW?
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Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
No
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Post by: targhediferro on September 18, 2013, 02:54:15 PM
Stoll?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2013, 02:56:26 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 18, 2013, 05:22:47 PM
.. but it is rear-engined?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: targhediferro on September 18, 2013, 06:17:50 PM
Till now I got for sure that it is a coachbuilted Typ2...now Allemano's questions make me doubt about this convinction. Is it a Volkswagen?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 02:34:00 AM
It is based on a rear-engined Volkswagen, but it is not a Typ 2.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 04:21:56 AM
is it based on a 411?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 04:29:15 AM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 04:45:01 AM
why would someone build a Transporter based on a VW? or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 05:02:59 AM
That's exactly what happened. Think about it and you may find out why this was done. That may help you a little bit in order to focus on the solution.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 05:19:03 AM
was this built on a crashed Beetle?
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Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 05:24:32 AM
I think the VW base was rather not a Beetle.
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Post by: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 05:41:57 AM
Based on kubelwagen?
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Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 05:42:52 AM
Yes
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 05:58:00 AM
an East German private attempt to build a Transporter replica?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 06:23:55 AM
Yes, by a privately owned workshop
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 06:46:15 AM
The only hint I found is with a certain Herr Grundmann, who worked at Framo before the war.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 06:59:48 AM
It is not him. I think the solution will be hard to find online. Although the company still exists, they just mention these cars just in a single sentence without a picture. I found the company's name in a magazine article.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 07:33:40 AM
was this built in the late 1950s?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 07:57:24 AM
Was he from Zwickau?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 08:08:13 AM
It is from the 1950s, but I don't have an exact date. It was not built in Zwickau.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 08:31:22 AM
is it a repairshop today?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 08:38:13 AM
No, a truck coachbuilder
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 08:44:06 AM
in Leipzig?
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on September 19, 2013, 08:48:13 AM
Barkas?
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Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
Not from Leipzig and not Barkas
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 09:00:16 AM
Magdeburg?
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Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 09:06:31 AM
No
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Post by: pguillem on September 19, 2013, 09:51:14 AM
Werdau ?
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Post by: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 10:23:40 AM
Spermann Fahrzeugbau?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 19, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
Did they also build B(E)MW based specials?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 19, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Probably not, but could it be Neumann? They also built a Kübel based VW-Special.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: pguillem on September 19, 2013, 09:51:14 AM
Werdau ?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 10:23:40 AM
Spermann Fahrzeugbau?
Not them
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 19, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
Did they also build B(E)MW based specials?
Not that I know of. Nothing alike mentioned on their history site either.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pguillem on September 19, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Zittau ?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 19, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Probably not, but could it be Neumann? They also built a Kübel based VW-Special.
Not Neumann
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: pguillem on September 19, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Zittau ?
Not from there
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 19, 2013, 11:37:05 AM
I try to sum it up.. Is it right, that you found this car and you think it's related to a certain builder, but you're not sure about it?
Have been other similar vehicles of this builder posted here before?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 01:12:33 PM
Yes, I found this picture online without further description, but with evidence that it is a East German VW T1 lookalike. Furtheron I read a classis car magazine article where the company I am looking for was named as builder of several small series of these vehicles. Your task is to find this company. There is a rather high probability that the pictured microbus was built by them, but it is not for sure.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2013, 01:34:08 PM
is this a company from Chemnitz?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
No
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Post by: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 03:21:21 PM
Dresden?
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Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 03:21:52 PM
Not from there
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Allemano on September 19, 2013, 03:57:58 PM
built within the 1955-60 time frame?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Rather in the first half of the 50s, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: targhediferro on September 19, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
Potzdam?
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Post by: Wendax on September 19, 2013, 04:34:59 PM
Not Potsdam
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 20, 2013, 06:27:39 AM
Ostermann formerly known as Willi Fritz?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 20, 2013, 06:30:07 AM
Not them
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Post by: pnegyesi on September 20, 2013, 08:05:44 AM
from Werdau?
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Post by: Wendax on September 20, 2013, 08:13:59 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: targhediferro on September 20, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
Gustav Kesslau?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on September 20, 2013, 06:30:02 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on October 27, 2013, 04:12:29 PM
Two more pics of the same car:
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Oguerrerob on October 28, 2013, 09:49:19 PM
I've found this pictures where they called VW Eiselt-Bus DDR Bus Germany
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on October 29, 2013, 03:42:45 AM
Nice find, but not the name I have.

Can you PM me your source?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on October 29, 2013, 08:28:16 AM
PM sent.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on October 29, 2013, 01:57:18 PM
Going by the engine number, it is a converted VW Kübelwagen as well. It looks to me as if Eiselt was not the builder, but the operating company for this minibus.
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on January 28, 2014, 02:29:18 AM
Moving to eternal darkness
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: pnegyesi on April 03, 2014, 11:30:58 PM
returning to this, was the builder located north of Magdeburg?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 02:10:17 AM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on April 04, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
within the Magdeburg-Erfurt-Dresden triangle?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 02:27:21 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: 4popoid on April 04, 2014, 03:19:24 AM
From Halle (Saale)?
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Post by: pnegyesi on April 04, 2014, 03:28:45 AM
one of the three cities mentioned?
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Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 07:04:29 AM
Four times no
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Post by: pnegyesi on April 04, 2014, 01:28:21 PM
Bezirk Halle?
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Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
No
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Post by: pnegyesi on April 04, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Bezirk Gera?
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Post by: 4popoid on April 04, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
From Jena?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
Twice no
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Post by: pnegyesi on April 04, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
Bezirk Leipzig?
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Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 03:38:04 PM
Yes
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Post by: 4popoid on April 04, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
From Altenburg?
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Post by: Wendax on April 04, 2014, 05:40:19 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: 4popoid on April 04, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
By Deckwerth of Wurzen?
Title: Re: Wendax 999
Post by: Wendax on April 05, 2014, 01:57:55 AM
Well done, 4 popoid.
Deckwerth of Wurzen built around 60 of these minibus bodies on Kübelwagen chassis.

Two Black Hole points for you.
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 999 - Volkswagen Bus on Kübelwagen chassis (probably) by Deckwerth
Post by: Wendax on June 20, 2019, 12:41:35 PM
According to another article Deckwerth built 80 vans until the early 1960s.

A framework and a flatbed: