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Title: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: sixtee5cuda on February 28, 2014, 02:24:45 PM
(Not absolutely sure this isn't a re-post)

When and where was this picture taken, and what cars are these?
Title: Re: WTH # 325
Post by: sixtee5cuda on March 03, 2014, 11:01:30 PM
Time for a quick Expert point?
Title: Re: WTH # 325
Post by: frederick59 on March 04, 2014, 06:43:42 AM
looks like the virage de la source at Francorchamps
Title: Re: WTH # 325
Post by: sixtee5cuda on March 04, 2014, 07:44:25 AM
Not at Spa-Francorchamps
Title: Re: WTH # 325
Post by: serra on March 04, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
I think It is the 1922 French GP at Strasbourg.  Giulio Foresti leads with his #14 Ballot 2LS Pierre de Vizcaya with his #12  bugatti type 30.
First I thought that both cars were bugatti but then I saw the anchor.
Here there is a nice picture about the Ballot.
Title: Re: WTH # 325
Post by: sixtee5cuda on March 04, 2014, 09:50:18 AM
And the point goes to Serra for the complete answer.  In fact, you included more information than I had, when I posted the puzzle.

I recently tried searching for the Anchor, thinking it was actually a religious cross.  Various sources also describe the Bugatti as a Type 29/30.

Your Ballot image has part of the aerodynamic nose removed.  In theory, this area contained the spare tire.  In practice, the spare was not carried during the race, to save weight.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: nicanary on March 04, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
The corner is the hairpin in the village of Duttlenheim.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Allan L on March 04, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: nicanary on March 04, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
The corner is the hairpin in the village of Duttlenheim.
More a T-junction than a hairpin.
Somewhere I have a photo I took of it in the 1980s with the buildings still recognisable.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: nicanary on March 04, 2014, 01:57:16 PM
I defer to someone who's been there - I just looked at a circuit map.

The anchor represents the Ballot marque badge , which consisted largely of an anchor with the letters E and B either side of the upright. I have no idea whether the E stands for Ernest (Ballot) or the title of the company - Ets Ballot SA. (There should be an acute accent over the E and my schoolboy French has deserted me as to what it's short for).
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: serra on March 04, 2014, 02:32:56 PM
I have found some photos that make me think that the photo is taken in Duttlenheim.
What do yuo think about it?
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: serra on March 04, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
I leave some photos about Strasbourg Circuit for French GP 1922. I hope the numbers were Ok.

Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Wendax on March 04, 2014, 03:28:58 PM
The roof has been closed since then:  ;)
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Allan L on March 04, 2014, 05:52:37 PM
Yes, Wendax, that Google Streetview shot more or less how my photo shows it except the [**** d'Or] cafe is now an Indian restaurant.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Wendax on March 05, 2014, 02:12:33 AM
Times they are a changin....
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Allan L on March 10, 2014, 10:37:16 AM
As I said, I was there in October 1986, and here is my photo of the corner (taken against the sun so poor quality) in roughly the same alignment as the OP. The second, much as Serra's No 9, shows the beginning of the straight they were turning into with the Croix d'Or on the right.
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on March 23, 2014, 02:18:14 PM
A rare 1922 photo:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on December 08, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
Another 1922 photo:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Carnut on December 08, 2014, 11:23:36 AM
From the days before they started to fit round wheels to cars..!
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on December 08, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
 :lmao:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: Allan L on December 09, 2014, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: Carnut on December 08, 2014, 11:23:36 AM
From the days before they started to fit round wheels to cars..!
They went better with wheels leaning forward, y'know.

Good job that focal plane shutters moved downwards as photos of speeding cars leaning backards wouldn't have been right!
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on December 09, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
Some tried to use those elliptical wheels still in the 1940´s... ;D
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on January 08, 2015, 10:38:28 AM
A nice 1922 illustration of the Ballot:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on January 19, 2015, 02:12:58 PM
And a fine 1922 detail shot with its driver Foresti:
Title: Re: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg
Post by: grobmotorix on February 07, 2015, 07:16:24 AM
And a nice front detail shot without the hood: