Ford Model T

BERTRAND · February 06, 2015, 03:02:57 AM

What is it and when?

BERTRAND · February 18, 2015, 04:42:30 AM

Expert

BERTRAND · February 23, 2015, 03:09:54 AM

Pros, that's your turn

Wendax · February 23, 2015, 03:32:57 AM

It's not a Ford Model T, isn't it?

4popoid · February 23, 2015, 03:37:22 AM

No Gerd, it's a: 1911 McCue (Model G?) Touring Car by The McCue Company of Hartford, Connecticut, USA.

BERTRAND · February 23, 2015, 03:49:50 AM

Correct 4popoid, but I can't confirm that's the Model G, I have just McCue Touring car 1911.

4popoid · February 23, 2015, 03:58:01 AM

Thank you for the point Bertrand. Although I think it is a Model G, I can't confirm it either, that's why I put "Model G" in the parenthesis with a question mark behind it.

ropat53 · February 23, 2015, 09:21:56 AM

Quote from: Wendax on February 23, 2015, 03:32:57 AM
It's not a Ford Model T, isn't it?

Gerd you're absolutely right it's without a doubt a Model T Ford, if you look close enough you'll even see the Ford script on the radiator and that steering wheel, the wheels, the transverse springs, Model T's are unmistakable.
I believe that's the Sinclair Lewis family, from Blue Earth County, driving form Minnesota to California in 1916. Sitting at the rear is Harry Sinclair Lewis, first US Nobel literature Prize winner in 1930. Sinclair Lewis, his wife and mother and father drove from Minnesota to California in 1916, there's a reference about this trip in "Henry Ford and Grass-roots America" by Reynold M. Wik.
McCue cars were RHD with external gear shift lever. Seems to be one more Internet propagated mistake.
Below is the unaltered picture, found on the Model T Forum.

BERTRAND · February 23, 2015, 11:37:05 AM

It is awkward. I found a photo of Mccue in a magazine and I found the same photo on the Internet on 2 sites different under McCue. Generally, I always find minimum 2 sources giving the same name when I place a puzzle.
As you say, maybe an internet error furthermore, but I am not capable of proving it. In case, said I if I have to cancel this puzzle

ropat53 · February 23, 2015, 11:45:07 AM

One of your sources is most likely a site about "American Automobiles", check another two cars a that site: Howard Chainless and Gyroscope/Lion and you'll find exactly the same picture.

BERTRAND · February 23, 2015, 11:57:31 AM

American automobile, yes, but not on this page. But I find the car in first on the "projectcarbarnfinds.blogspot.

Wendax · February 23, 2015, 12:59:22 PM

If you have a look at the Standard Catalog, you can see that ropat is right. The McCue cars looked quite different, having larger wheelbases ranging from 108 to 123''. Keep the puzzle just to show that you can earn a pro point with a standard Ford Model T.

BERTRAND · February 23, 2015, 01:54:43 PM

I have make an error and I apologize for it. It would not be honest to give the point in Wendax because this puzzle is to stay several days in section Rookie and in section Expert before being in Pro. Special thanks to Ropat53 to have me to prove that I was in the forgery

4popoid · February 23, 2015, 02:06:37 PM

After intensive study, I believe ropat is correct in his analysis. Various sites identify the puzzle picture as a McCue, but everything seems to trace back to the single "american-automobiles" picture. And yes, the same photograph shows up on pages where other marques are described, although, in all cases, the photograph is never captioned as a particular brand, but only as: "1911 Touring Car". The only other picture of a McCue I can find is from a period advertisement. This photograph shows up on the "american-automobiles" page (and elsewhere) along with the puzzle photograph, which, as ropat says, shows a car with RHD and longitudinal springs. I find it very unlikely that McCue would manufacture two models of such a different design, and since the photograph also shows up on a Ford Model T site, I must agree that it is probably, a Model T.

That said, I think Gerd (Wendax) deserves a point, as he produced the correct identification. While I submitted my answer in good faith, it is apparently incorrect, and so I understand if you decide to withdraw the point awarded to me. As for the puzzle, I believe I would leave as solved, but with a corrected title such as: 1911 Ford Model T (misidentified as a 1911 McCue Touring Car).

BERTRAND · February 23, 2015, 02:11:50 PM

I change points

ftg3plus4 · February 23, 2015, 02:47:19 PM

Quote from: 4popoid on February 23, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
everything seems to trace back to the single "american-automobiles" picture. And yes, the same photograph shows up on pages where other marques are described, although, in all cases, the photograph is never captioned as a particular brand, but only as: "1911 Touring Car".

The "American Automobiles" site has the bad habit of having pictures on their pages, usually at the bottom, of cars (and ads) that are not at all related to the make of car that the pages are about. It can get confusing at times. Most of the time the unrelated cars pictured are unidentified. These are especially common (and especially annoying) on pages where they have no actual picture available of the make in question.

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