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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2015 => Topic started by: SACO on December 08, 2014, 04:59:12 AM

Title: SAC#583 : The Lamgia of Alex MacMillan 1953
Post by: SACO on December 08, 2014, 04:59:12 AM
What is this car, please for 1 point ?  :)
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Post by: SACO on December 16, 2014, 02:56:54 AM
Experts !
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Post by: Majeko on December 21, 2014, 02:01:09 PM
German?
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Post by: SACO on January 02, 2015, 12:00:19 PM
Not German !
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Post by: qwaszx on January 02, 2015, 12:33:25 PM
Gordini?
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Post by: SACO on January 02, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Not Gordini !
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Post by: SACO on January 03, 2015, 02:28:12 AM
Pros !
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Post by: nicanary on January 03, 2015, 05:07:16 AM
Panhard -based?
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Post by: SACO on January 03, 2015, 07:04:28 AM
Not Panhard -based !
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Post by: nicanary on January 03, 2015, 07:05:17 AM
Is it French?
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Post by: SACO on January 03, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
Not French !
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Post by: nicanary on January 03, 2015, 08:54:59 AM
Italian ?
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Post by: grobmotorix on January 03, 2015, 09:48:20 AM
Is it the a Fiat 1100/1300ccm racing car like the Prazak special?
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Post by: SACO on January 04, 2015, 02:19:36 AM
Yes ! Italian !
But not a Fiat 1100 Prazak !
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Post by: nicanary on January 04, 2015, 05:46:13 AM
Nardi?
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Post by: SACO on January 04, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Not a Nardi !
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Post by: targhediferro on January 04, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
Osca MT4?
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Post by: SACO on January 05, 2015, 02:15:50 AM
Not an Osca !
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Post by: nicanary on January 05, 2015, 05:57:33 AM
Is it a "one-off" or from a known maker of etceterini?
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Post by: SACO on January 05, 2015, 02:05:01 PM
A "one-off" !
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 05, 2015, 03:13:36 PM
Post '55?
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Post by: Iluvatar on January 05, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
Is it something related to Taruffi's TARF?
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Post by: SACO on January 06, 2015, 02:28:59 AM
Not post 55 and not related to Taruffi's TARF !
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 06, 2015, 08:01:22 AM
1951-1954?
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Post by: nicanary on January 06, 2015, 10:24:04 AM
Was the photo taken in Italy (if you know) ?
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Post by: SACO on January 06, 2015, 11:28:27 AM
Yes ,51/54 but probably not in Italy !
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Post by: nicanary on January 06, 2015, 11:34:36 AM
Is it a Fiat engine of some kind?
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Post by: SACO on January 06, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
Not a Fiat engine !
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Post by: D-type on January 06, 2015, 01:54:16 PM
If it isn't Fiat powered is it Lancia powered?
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Post by: SACO on January 06, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
Yes !Locked for you !
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Post by: D-type on January 07, 2015, 08:58:21 AM
Please unlock this.  I was simply narrowing the field and don't have any leads to a one-off Lancia engined car - can they be called etceterini or is that only Italian-built Fiat engined cars?
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Post by: nicanary on January 07, 2015, 11:35:08 AM
I hope SACO and D-type don't mind me posting before the official unlocking, but I'm off to work in a few minutes, and won't be back online until much later.

I have found 5 different Lancia eigenbau cars built in Germany, and some have been previous puzzles. The only one I can't account for was built in East Germany (DDR) by Hans Thorns. Is this his car?
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Post by: SACO on January 08, 2015, 05:23:05 AM
Unlocked !
Not a German Lancia !
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Post by: nicanary on January 08, 2015, 06:21:38 AM
Dutch ?
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Post by: D-type on January 08, 2015, 06:54:45 AM
Is it Italian but racing outside Italy?
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Post by: SACO on January 08, 2015, 09:34:45 AM
Not Dutch !
And the owner (perhaps the builder ? ) is not Italian !
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Post by: D-type on January 09, 2015, 04:33:10 PM
Where's left?  Swiss builder?
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Post by: SACO on January 10, 2015, 04:32:11 AM
Not Swiss builder !
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Post by: nicanary on January 10, 2015, 04:45:08 AM
French?
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Post by: SACO on January 10, 2015, 09:10:44 AM
Not French !
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Post by: nicanary on January 10, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
Austrian?
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Post by: SACO on January 10, 2015, 11:42:34 AM
Not Austrian !
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Post by: nicanary on January 10, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not a British-built car. Portugese?
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Post by: SACO on January 12, 2015, 09:48:38 AM
Are you sure ?
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Post by: nicanary on January 12, 2015, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: SACO on January 12, 2015, 09:48:38 AM
Are you sure ?

Thanks for the hint  ;D

I thought I knew British competition cars of that period, and I can't recall any Lancia-based specials. This may take a lot of work.
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Post by: nicanary on January 13, 2015, 07:33:02 AM
So far - nothing. It's a pretty car with a well-designed body looking like a mini D24. I'm guessing that it's a lot smaller.

Do you know if it's based on an Aprilia or an Ardea?
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Post by: SACO on January 14, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
I don't know !
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Post by: nicanary on January 29, 2015, 08:33:50 AM
Is this car the Lamgia of Alex MacMillan ?
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Post by: SACO on January 29, 2015, 09:38:22 AM
 :thumbsup:
The Lamgia of Alex MacMillan !
1 point for nicanary ! :)
Why Lamgia and a better pic ?
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Post by: nicanary on January 29, 2015, 11:26:20 AM
Thank you for the point. I found the car by chance, like most members of AP, whilst looking for another car with a Rochdale body. I cannot find any images of the car online, and took a guess.

The car was registered KRO548 and was built by a Dr. Kennedy using a Lancia Augusta chassis and an MG TC engine of 1250cc which was later bored-out to 1460cc. It originally had a body built by Harry Lester, which I guess may have been a cycle-winged affair. The car must have been built in the late 1940s, because in 1950 it was bought by Roy Croysdell. It later passed to Alex MacMillan, who rebodied the car using an alloy body from Rochdale Panels, which is the one in the puzzle photo. They later sold the car for him after he had bought an Elva chassis, which he bodied in a Rochdale Type F (this has been a previous AP puzzle.)

The car is named Lamgia because it is a Lancia chassis with an MG engine.

(No wonder I couldn't remember any Lancia-engined competition cars of the 50s in the UK!)
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Post by: nicanary on January 30, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
For those of you are are interested in that sort of thing, I have traced the race this car was competing in. It is a National meeting held at Silverstone on 6 June 1953 - the Lamgia came 3rd overall in a 7-lap scratch race, behind an Allard and a JAG-Ford, 21 seconds behind the winner. I thought I recognised the angle of the photo - it's taken from the spectator stand above the pits at Silverstone. I guess this was practice for the race - the car wouldn't have finished 3rd if it had spent time in the pits.