What's this, please , for 1 point ! :)
Experts !
Peugeot 403 barquette?
Not a Peugeot 403 barquette !
French car?
Yes !
Salmson?
Not a Salmson !
Based on the Peugeot 404 ?
Not based on the Peugeot 404 !
Panhard?
Not Panhard !
Renault Fregate?
Not a Renault Fregate !
Citroen?
Not Citroen !
Obscur car constructor?
A little car constructor !
Louis Rosier?
Not Louis Rosier !
Arista?
Not Arista !
Pros !
I actually thought it might be based on a Simca 8, but you say it is a small car maker.
Anything to do with DB?
Barbier?
Not DB and not Barbier !
Modified Facel Vega Facellia ?
Simca based?
It looks very similar to the barquette built in 1956 by Alain Bocquet based on a Simca P60.
Not Facellia and not Simca based !
The rear deck seems quite long - is this car rear-engined ?
Is it based on the chassis of a mass produced car ?
Peugeot based...not 403 and 404...perhaps 203?
Is this possibly an early MD-Peugeot? I know they were mainly pretty coupes, but maybe there was a prototype barquette. I'm getting desperate now!
Not rear-engined !
Not based on the chassis of a mass produced car !
And not Peugeot based !
Renault engine ?
Not Renault engine !
French engine ?
Arista?
Yes ! a French engine , but not Arista !
Gregoire?
Chenard Walker?
Not Gregoire and not Chenard et Walker !
Rosengart?
I think that maybe this is a pre-war car which has been rebodied. Amilcar?
Not a Rosengart and not an Amilcar !
It's a post-war car with a body by a coach builder !
French Ford engine ?
I expect others have done the same thing, but I've just gone through a list of all known French car makers, concentrating on marques which were built in the period 1945-1960. I have discounted all major manufacturers, and any makes which were powered by rear engine, or engines provided by major makers. The puzzle car does not exist! ;D
It's not-
Rosier
Salmson
Arista
DB
Barbier
Facel Vega
Amilcar
Rosengart
Gregoire
Chenard Walcker
I have discounted luxury marques like Delahaye and Delage - the puzzle car looks too small.
I have been through the entry lists for Montlhery in the appropriate period, and nothing fits! Surely it's not a rebodied Lambert ?
If nicanary is that confused, SACO may have unearthed something really interesting ;D
Quote from: oko94 on February 19, 2015, 10:16:41 AM
If nicanary is that confused, SACO may have unearthed something really interesting ;D
That's very kind of you to say, but if Wendax can't get it solved, then we've really got problems!
Built between 1955 and 1960?
Salmson?
Not Ford engine !
Not between 1955 and 1960 !
And not a Salmson !
There were 2 prototypes built of this car !
Bugatti?
Built between 1952 and 1954?
Bernardet?
Obscure or well-known coachbuilder ?
Not Bugatti !
A coach builder between 1952 and 1954 known like Bernardet !
Antem?
Pichon Parat?
Chappe ?
Yes ! the coach builder is Antem !
Locked for PJ !
Ok, to sum up, Antem designed the body for these 2 prototypes, built by a small post-war constructor with a French engine.
Engine is not from:
Amilcar
Arista
Barbier
Bernardet
Bugatti
Chenard Walker
Citroen
DB
Facel Vega
Ford France
Gregoire
Panhard
Peugeot
Renault
Rosengart
Rosier
Salmson
Simca
Is this constructor a totally obscure one?
You forget one ! ;)
Quote from: SACO on February 20, 2015, 07:16:36 AM
You forget one ! ;)
More than one...
Do you mean it's a quite known name, like Talbot?
No a little maker !
But a known one?
I mean is something like the Licorne project and there is something in books or magazines or it's an ultra obscure maker that built a couple of cars and then disappeared without leaving any trace?
No ! He built numerous cars and 2 with Antem !
Alright, I'll look for a quite known maker that is not in this list:
Amilcar,
Arista,
Barbier,
Bernardet,
Bugatti,
Chenard Walker,
Citroen,
DB,
Facel Vega,
Ford France,
Gregoire,
Licorne,
Panhard,
Peugeot,
Renault,
Rosengart,
Rosier,
Salmson,
Simca,
Talbot
...and built those 2 cars.
Last question before I start looking into some books: was this maker active post 1949 and this is a sort of 'revival' project or the maker was active in the 1952-1954 period?
The maker was active in the 1952-1954 period ; but the end was close !
:tasty:
I think I have the answer too, I just hope to be online when it's unlocked !
Quote from: oko94 on February 20, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
I think I have the answer too, I just hope to be online when it's unlocked !
Thank you for the confidence ;D
According to Bellu, there were 18 makers at the 1954's Salon.
11 are in the list of already guessed ones.
2 are powered by engines from that list (Autobleu & Gordini).
1, that was going to be my choice... is too big (Hotchkiss)
Among the 4 ones that are left, I guess it could be the CEME-powered
Mochet...since there was an Antem bodied Cabriolet in 1953 and a barquette run the '55 Bol d'Or.
:thumbsup:
Mochet CM 750, CEMEC engine and body by Antem at 55 Bol d'Or.
1 point for P.J :)
It was the personal car of Jean and Jacques Antem.
In my post #47, I claimed that I had checked every manufacturer of the period, and cross-referenced to Georgano, and could find nothing. In fact I had discounted Mochet, simply because I believed they had only built microcars. Sheer laziness and an unjustified belief in my own knowledge, and I paid the price! It's there in Georgano, even if it's just one line. And when I checked entry lists for Montlhery, I had only gone as far as 1954.
Well done PJ.
That was a great puzzle.
(PS the car is missing from the results/entry list for that race. That certain site is not infallible.)