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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2015 => Topic started by: Carnut on May 06, 2015, 07:59:26 AM
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What's this, powered by what and built by whom - for 1 point?:
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Experts?
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Up to the Pro's...
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Porsche-engined?
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Porsche-engined?
Yes!
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Anything to do with Herb Wetanson ?
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Anything to do with Herb Wetanson ?
The founder of Wetson's Hamburger chain?!
Ah, you must mean the other one.. No, not that I am aware of.
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Built in the USA ?
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Built in the USA ?
Yes..
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FYI Herb Wetanson had a string of Porsche race cars, and one was a 906 which he converted into a spyder. I thought maybe this was a continuation of that car. Porsche cars would have been expensive back then, so maybe this was indeed the hamburger king.
That's a 6-cylinder motor - so this car has been built around 1970 (apeing the McLaren CanAm cars) and I'm guessing the engine came from a 906/910/907 or there's a faint chance it came from a road car.
Do you know if the puzzle car was used in CanAm racing at all, like Tony Dean's 908?
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No, they were two different unrelated Herb Wetansons!
I haven't been able to ascertain exactly which Porsche engine was fitted or where it came from, but I do know this car didn't race in the CanAm series.
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Non-Porsche chassis ?
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Non-Porsche chassis ?
Indeed.
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No, they were two different unrelated Herb Wetansons!
I thought it a bit odd that there could be two different Herb Wetansons of a similar age at the same time in the same area so I dug into it a bit more and found this:
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Wetson’s was founded in 1959 by Harold Norbitz (1921-2001) of Dix Hills, LI and Carl Wetanson (1912-1995) of Woodmere. It was headquartered in Valley Stream.
Observing the McDonald’s formula for restaurant success, Wetson’s planned to duplicate it in New York — an open market at the time with no fast food restaurants.
Carl’s older son, Herbert, pushed for franchises all over Queens and Long Island before McDonald’s could enter the market. Herbert Wetanson was a successful race car driver well-known on Long Island.
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It's nothing to do with this thread of course but interesting nevertheless!
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The wonder of the web - the gift that keeps on giving ;D
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One of Harald Kirberg's KK cars?
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One of Harald Kirberg's KK cars?
No.
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Bit of a long shot, but that body reminds me of a Legrand Mk18. Is this the one-off Mk16 built for Mason O'Kief ?
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Bit of a long shot, but that body reminds me of a Legrand Mk18. Is this the one-off Mk16 built for Mason O'Kief ?
I'm afraid it isn't, no!
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Is it a homemade one-off or was it built by a company ?
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Is it a homemade one-off or was it built by a company ?
The body is a home-built one-off.
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European chassis ?
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European chassis ?
No.
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American chassis ?
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American chassis ?
Yes!
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Did it compete in USRRC ?
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Did it compete in USRRC ?
I believe so, yes.
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McKee chassis ?
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McKee chassis ?
No.
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Chinook chassis ?
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Chinook chassis ?
No.
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Last USRRC season was in 1968, but the puzzle car looks more modern (circa 1970). Is it a car that once raced in USRRC and then got redesigned ? Maybe the Porsche-powered Kelly Special ?
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Bit of a long shot, but is there any connection with Vasek Polak ?
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Last USRRC season was in 1968, but the puzzle car looks more modern (circa 1970). Is it a car that once raced in USRRC and then got redesigned ? Maybe the Porsche-powered Kelly Special ?
The car dates from before 1968 of course; I can't say for certain when the body was built but I believe from new, so maybe it was just futuristic!
Bit of a long shot, but is there any connection with Vasek Polak ?
'Fraid not!
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Algeri-Porsche ?
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Algeri-Porsche ?
No..
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Denmacher-Porsche ?
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Denmacher-Porsche ?
No again..
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I wonder whether this is a rebodied version of a car which was built in the early 60s. Is it the Kelly Special ?
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I wonder whether this is a rebodied version of a car which was built in the early 60s. Is it the Kelly Special ?
Your question is remarkably similar to my #31 question ;)
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Merlyn-Porsche ?
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I wonder whether this is a rebodied version of a car which was built in the early 60s. Is it the Kelly Special ?
Your question is remarkably similar to my #31 question ;)
And the answer's still the same!
Merlyn-Porsche ?
Not this either.
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Dolphin-Porsche ?
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Dolphin-Porsche ?
No!
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Was the car built in 1967 ?
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Was the car built in 1967 ?
I don't think so but I'll have to check tomorrow.
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Was the car built in 1967 ?
I don't think so but I'll have to check tomorrow.
It was indeed built in 1967!
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Caldwell chassis ?
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Caldwell chassis ?
No.
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Bobsy chassis ?
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Bobsy chassis ?
Progress!
Yes it is, so I'll lock it for you until your next reply.
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1967 Bobsy SR-4 with Porsche engine and body built by Steven Payne Herbert
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We got there!
Well done.
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Thanks !
I haven't found any evidence of this car being raced in USRRC, do you have more information about that ? The closest I could find is a Bobsy SR3 with an unspecified engine entered at the 1967 USRRC race in Mid-Ohio.
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Thanks !
I haven't found any evidence of this car being raced in USRRC, do you have more information about that ? The closest I could find is a Bobsy SR3 with an unspecified engine entered at the 1967 USRRC race in Mid-Ohio.
I had a picture of this car competing at Nelson Ledges, which I understood to be a USRRC location.
I'm away now until Wednesday bit I'll see if I can find it again when I get back.
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The car looks very advanced for the time, as we have said before. According to the Bobsy Register, the SR4 was not introduced until 1970, and only one was made, with a Lotus twin-cam engine. Having said that, further information on the net suggests that 2 or 3 were made.
The SR5 had bodywork like the puzzle car, and came out in 1971. I wonder whether the owner of this car used parts from a 1967 Bobsy (probably an SR3) and that's where the date comes from, and he added the engine and new bodywork in the early 1970s?
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The following came from a Bobsy websigte:
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We're only aware of the one Bobsy SR-4 Prototype originally with a Lotus Twin Cam engine that was completed at the time. Apparently Mong started designing the SR-4 Prototype in 1967. Evidence suggests that several SR-4 Prototypes were at least started (maybe four, according to Jerry Mong's notes).
Another was sold as a chassis only to Steven Payne Herbert who fitted a Porsche engine and constructed a homemade wide body. That car is now owned by David Irwin. The picture at left is the car at Nelson Ledges with Steven and Uncle Dick.
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This one is the puzzle car, which I perhaps wrongly assumed was from around the same time, as Mong had moved on to the SR-5 within a couple of years. As said, I thought the Nelson Ledges races were part of the USRRC series, but perhaps I'm wrong?