Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954

Started by Carnut, August 12, 2015, 07:44:53 AM

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Carnut

What's this and who built it, for 1 point?:

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Carnut

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richard cuyler

Italian and based on a Packard?

Carnut

Quote from: richard cuyler on August 26, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
Italian and based on a Packard?

Yes and Yes!
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Carnut

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richard cuyler

Still trying, Carnut. The info I have so far been able to obtain suggests that Italy was the one European country where no Packard special coachwork was ever done.  This is a very restrained design and those Alvis-like rear wings suggest Graber (Switzerland, of course), but they only did earlier Packards. Is this a 1951 car?

Carnut

Quote from: richard cuyler on September 03, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
Still trying, Carnut. The info I have so far been able to obtain suggests that Italy was the one European country where no Packard special coachwork was ever done.  This is a very restrained design and those Alvis-like rear wings suggest Graber (Switzerland, of course), but they only did earlier Packards. Is this a 1951 car?

Not Graber of course; wrong country!
Later than 1951.
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72Must

Is this locked or open ? :)

Carnut

Quote from: 72Must on September 04, 2015, 07:10:30 AM
Is this locked or open ? :)

It's still locked, but if Richard doesn't get it with his next reply I'll open it up again.
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richard cuyler

If it's not a Rocco Motto car from about 1952/3, please open this up again. Thanks, Carnut.

Carnut

Quote from: richard cuyler on September 04, 2015, 08:41:33 AM
If it's not a Rocco Motto car from about 1952/3, please open this up again. Thanks, Carnut.

Yes indeed, it was built by Motto, but in 1954.
Well done.
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sixtee5cuda

Is the puzzle car, Jean Trevoux's car which was built for La Carrera Panamericana?

Carnut

Quote from: sixtee5cuda on September 05, 2015, 10:13:20 AM
Is the puzzle car, Jean Trevoux's car which was built for La Carrera Panamericana?

I don't think so; the Panamericana cars were slightly earlier, and their success led to this road car, I believe.
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sixtee5cuda

I haven't seen anything in print, indicating that more than one Motto Packard was built (Panamericana or otherwise). 

Trevoux raced a standard Packard in 1952.  He raced The Motto Packard in 1953 and 1954.

Carnut

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Quote from: sixtee5cuda on September 05, 2015, 04:41:07 PM
I haven't seen anything in print, indicating that more than one Motto Packard was built (Panamericana or otherwise). 

Trevoux raced a standard Packard in 1952.  He raced The Motto Packard in 1953 and 1954.

I was confused, but I saw pictures of a car that clearly wasn't this one, participating in the Carrera Panamericana.  But maybe it wasn't by Rocco as I thought.  Some respected sites describe the Motto car as from 1954, but if it was raced in 1953 then that would appear to be wrong..

Here's a picture of the Trevoux car; is it the same car as the puzzle car?  Perhaps it went back to Motto in 1954 to be rebuilt?
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Hiawatha

I think it's the same car. Windscreen and wipers look the same and the general body shape and trim look very similar. What I don't know is if it was a touring car first and then modified for racing or viceversa.

Carnut

Here's the picture before I modified it, with all the trim etc that's missing on the competition car.  So it's before or after - that's the $64000 question!
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sixtee5cuda

They seem to be the same car.  But it is sad to think the car was that beautiful when it left Italy, only to be stripped down for racing use.