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Title: Solved NIC#495 - 1915 Cartermobile
Post by: nicanary on December 06, 2015, 11:05:41 AM
Year and marque required.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 26, 2015, 04:50:23 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
Is this American?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 26, 2015, 11:14:04 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
Is this American?

Yes.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 11:15:08 AM
From east of the Mississippi?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 26, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 11:15:08 AM
From east of the Mississippi?

Yes.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
A state on the east coast?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 27, 2015, 05:19:54 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
A state on the east coast?

It has a seaboard on the east coast, yes.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 07:05:47 AM
Massachusetts?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 07:13:13 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 07:05:47 AM
Massachusetts?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 07:22:22 AM
New York?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 07:27:50 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 07:22:22 AM
New York?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 07:52:20 AM
Connecticut?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 07:52:20 AM
Connecticut?

No.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 08:18:30 AM
I'm running out of likely states here!

New Jersey?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 08:18:30 AM
I'm running out of likely states here!

New Jersey?

No. There are plenty left to pick from!
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
No. There are plenty left to pick from!
True.

Maryland?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
No. There are plenty left to pick from!
True.

Maryland?

You got it in one! Now find the maker.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:29:23 AM
Was the make still being made in 1920?
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:37:03 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:29:23 AM
Was the make still being made in 1920?

Production began just after 1920.
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
Ah, so this is a slightly more recent car than I thought.

Is it Cartermobile? I can't seem to find anything else that fits the criteria, and even that one brings up conflicting information (different sources giving different dates & states of origin).
Title: Re: NIC#495
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
Ah, so this is a slightly more recent car than I thought.

Is it Cartermobile? I can't seem to find anything else that fits the criteria, and even that one brings up conflicting information (different sources giving different dates & states of origin).

You deserve a point for all the research. Yes, it's a Cartermobile, made in Hyattsville, Maryland, with company HQ in Washington. I agree the internet is conflicting on this one, my source claiming 1915 (it looks later than that to me) and Georgano saying a few cars were made in 1921/22, which is more believable.

Well solved.
Title: Re: Solved NIC#495 - 1921/22 Cartermobile
Post by: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 10:25:12 AM
Having done a little more poking around, this is what I find about the car. This says 1914-15; I can't speak for the reliability of the information but it does seem pretty detailed. Based on the appearance of the car, I would have guessed it was made in 1916-17 myself.
Title: Re: Solved NIC#495 - 1921/22 Cartermobile
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
I've just had a quick Google, and there's little or nothing about this marque on the net. I got the photo from a French picture site, and assumed that the date was incorrect when I found alternative information in Georgano. Having said that, the famous encyclopedia is known to be wrong on occasion.

It makes you wonder why the encyclopedia's information even names the town of manufacture , when this is in fact wrong, unless the editor read MO as MD. Even then, the town name is wrong. Looking at the image again, I think the date should be a bit earlier, and I'm going to change it to the date of the prototype.
Title: Re: Solved NIC#495 - 1915 Cartermobile
Post by: ropat53 on December 28, 2015, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
It makes you wonder why the encyclopedia's information even names the town of manufacture , when this is in fact wrong, unless the editor read MO as MD. Even then, the town name is wrong. Looking at the image again, I think the date should be a bit earlier, and I'm going to change it to the date of the prototype.
There seems to be a very simple answer, two completely different companies, the puzzle car was made in 1915 by Cartemobile from Hannibal Missouri and then there was another Cartemobile made between 1921 and 1922 in Hyattsville Maryland.
See scan below from Standard Catalog
Title: Re: Solved NIC#495 - 1915 Cartermobile
Post by: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 03:30:06 PM
Thanks for this information. Obviously I have got confused because I didn't research properly.

I found the photo which had no additional information attached, and then used the Georgano Encyclopedia to complete what I thought was correct. It's interesting that Nick Georgano included a marque which was probably never made, but failed to include the puzzle marque which may well have existed.

Apologies for my mistake - at least we got there in the end and the point was correctly awarded.