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Solved NIC#495 - 1915 Cartermobile

Started by nicanary, December 06, 2015, 11:05:41 AM

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December 06, 2015, 11:05:41 AM Last Edit: December 28, 2015, 11:29:04 AM by nicanary
Year and marque required.
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nicanary

#1
December 26, 2015, 04:50:23 AM
Experts?
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ftg3plus4

#2
December 26, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
Is this American?
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#3
December 26, 2015, 11:14:04 AM
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#4
December 26, 2015, 11:15:08 AM
From east of the Mississippi?
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#5
December 26, 2015, 12:57:51 PM
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#6
December 26, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
A state on the east coast?
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#7
December 27, 2015, 05:19:54 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 26, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
A state on the east coast?

It has a seaboard on the east coast, yes.
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#8
December 28, 2015, 07:05:47 AM
Massachusetts?
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#9
December 28, 2015, 07:13:13 AM
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#10
December 28, 2015, 07:22:22 AM
New York?
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#11
December 28, 2015, 07:27:50 AM
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#12
December 28, 2015, 07:52:20 AM
Connecticut?
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#13
December 28, 2015, 08:16:50 AM
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#14
December 28, 2015, 08:18:30 AM
I'm running out of likely states here!

New Jersey?
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#15
December 28, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 08:18:30 AM
I'm running out of likely states here!

New Jersey?

No. There are plenty left to pick from!
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#16
December 28, 2015, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
No. There are plenty left to pick from!
True.

Maryland?
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#17
December 28, 2015, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
No. There are plenty left to pick from!
True.

Maryland?

You got it in one! Now find the maker.
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#18
December 28, 2015, 09:29:23 AM
Was the make still being made in 1920?
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#19
December 28, 2015, 09:37:03 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:29:23 AM
Was the make still being made in 1920?

Production began just after 1920.
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#20
December 28, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
Ah, so this is a slightly more recent car than I thought.

Is it Cartermobile? I can't seem to find anything else that fits the criteria, and even that one brings up conflicting information (different sources giving different dates & states of origin).
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#21
December 28, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on December 28, 2015, 09:51:23 AM
Ah, so this is a slightly more recent car than I thought.

Is it Cartermobile? I can't seem to find anything else that fits the criteria, and even that one brings up conflicting information (different sources giving different dates & states of origin).

You deserve a point for all the research. Yes, it's a Cartermobile, made in Hyattsville, Maryland, with company HQ in Washington. I agree the internet is conflicting on this one, my source claiming 1915 (it looks later than that to me) and Georgano saying a few cars were made in 1921/22, which is more believable.

Well solved.
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#22
December 28, 2015, 10:25:12 AM
Having done a little more poking around, this is what I find about the car. This says 1914-15; I can't speak for the reliability of the information but it does seem pretty detailed. Based on the appearance of the car, I would have guessed it was made in 1916-17 myself.
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-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

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#23
December 28, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
I've just had a quick Google, and there's little or nothing about this marque on the net. I got the photo from a French picture site, and assumed that the date was incorrect when I found alternative information in Georgano. Having said that, the famous encyclopedia is known to be wrong on occasion.

It makes you wonder why the encyclopedia's information even names the town of manufacture , when this is in fact wrong, unless the editor read MO as MD. Even then, the town name is wrong. Looking at the image again, I think the date should be a bit earlier, and I'm going to change it to the date of the prototype.
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#24
December 28, 2015, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: nicanary on December 28, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
It makes you wonder why the encyclopedia's information even names the town of manufacture , when this is in fact wrong, unless the editor read MO as MD. Even then, the town name is wrong. Looking at the image again, I think the date should be a bit earlier, and I'm going to change it to the date of the prototype.
There seems to be a very simple answer, two completely different companies, the puzzle car was made in 1915 by Cartemobile from Hannibal Missouri and then there was another Cartemobile made between 1921 and 1922 in Hyattsville Maryland.
See scan below from Standard Catalog
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